[Kzyxtalk] Tim Gregory's darling baby gorilla-chicken.

Thu Jun 25 17:29:57 PDT 2015

This is an outrageous attack on reasoned analysis and community based 
process I have seen on this list; all responses linked to personal 
vendettas and deprecating a central theme of mission discovery.  I 
criticize Sackowitz for using the same "cut'n paste" composition he 
dis-references to skew the purpose of Tim Gregory and discredit the 
conversation.  Tim did not dis Marco, unless you needed to 
(mal)interpret the words for a personal white-hat charge.
.
I am amazed at someone who acts like a troll in many ways calling a 
peaceful discoverer one.  I have the impression that external 
personalities are zeroing in on our community process with CIA like 
precision; national trolls?

Who died and made Sackowitz the ultimate decider? Or angry Marco?
We all know that community creation ultimately demands individual 
participation and that KZYX is a vital instrument for us to practice on 
and create that community of the future.

My next post will be a short paragraph on what I feel is the role of 
KZYX in our rapidly evolving community.  It will positively focus on 
goals that will amplify our role in evolving our communities in an 
extremely rapid field of evolutionary change.  Love Is ~~BC

PS: Tim, thanks for changing the flame of fight into light.

On 6/25/2015 11:37 AM, sako4 at comcast.net wrote:
> Marco, my brother, you're wasting your time -- and brilliant analysis 
> -- here on this listserv with Mr. Gregory.
>
> He's simply a troll on this list.
>
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> *From: *"Marco McClean" <memo at mcn.org>
> *To: *"kzyxtalk" <kzyxtalk at lists.mcn.org>
> *Cc: *discussion at lists.mcn.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:48:29 PM
> *Subject: *[Kzyxtalk] Tim Gregory's darling baby gorilla-chicken.
>
> "Tim Gregory" <tgregory at saber.net>
> > thanks for all the opinion all over again, marco, but i'm not here 
> to argue that.
> > write kzyx a better mission statement, if you can.
> > c'mon, you're a writer, give it a try.
>
>
>     What are you here to do, then? You never address any of the many
> good points I have made; you just change the subject. It's hand waving.
>
>
>  >Norman deVall wrote, "...The challenge is how to open a conversation.
> Their response letter appears to be anything but. No easier to talk with
> the Board than it was to talk with John."
>
>
>  > Tim Gregory replied: "...Sounds simple but early family counselling
> has talks 'put the baby in the middle'--a point of agreement where both
> parents want the best for the kid... KZYX May be 900# gorilla baby, but
> it brings out the mother hen in all of us..."
>
>
>     Yeah, see, Tim, you never address /anyone's/ points. The problem is
> the board and managers always have the advantage and can just wait out
> and ignore any voices for change, anything at all that anyone outside
> the bunker writes, any calls for transparency. They've been selectively
> ignoring their own rules and their own mission statement all along; how
> would a new one help?
>     Waiting months for a board meeting and then driving two hours to get
> there-- to speak to an angry, pursed-mouthed board for a timed two
> minutes and then be shouted down by the belligerent packed crowd of
> apologists for the board and people who benefit financially from the
> station and deluded "programmers" who think their shows depend on the
> status quo and who apparently love being bossed around by control freaks
> and love not being paid to do the work while the bosses are paid to
> pretend to work-- then waiting for the next meeting, and the next, and
> the next, and so on, has got everyone exactly nowhere in 25 years. All
> writing anyone sends to the board stops with Stuart Campbell, who
> filters what gets to the others. That's why it's so important to have
> this conversation regularly on the air in prime time and on an
> unmoderated forum on the station's web page, which the insiders will
> never allow.
>     The people who /are/ the problem are always either whining or
> pontificating from their panic room inside the armored chest of your
> giant robot gorilla. It can never be anything like a counseling session.
> There's no level playing field. There's no bathwater. There's no baby.
>     I'll make a deal with you, Tim. You answer some of the concrete
> points I've brought up in the last six months  --the points your mind
> most veers away from-- and then I'll consider writing something you tell
> me to write; a mission statement, why not.
>
>     Just to ground us in reality: all MCPB's existing transmitters and
> mixing boards and microphones and computers and peripheral equipment,
> all together, cost less than $25 a day to operate. David Steffen's and
> Mary Aigner's ridiculously well-paid positions are entirely superfluous
> to the operation of the station. All the crucial tasks of any radio
> station manager can be accomplished in a lazy afternoon per month. The
> yearly CPB grant has always paid for the entire operation of the KZYX
> --overhead, electricity, bookkeeping, tower fees, repairs, internet,
> phones, music publishers' fees, NPR dues, plumbing, everything-- twice
> over. Everything said on the air during every pledge drive, about how
> "the station needs your money and pledges and memberships to keep the
> great shows on the air" is a lie. These aren't opinions. These are
> verifiable facts. Answer some of it, Tim.
>
>
> Marco McClean
> memo at mcn.org
> http://MemoOfTheAir.wordpress.com
>
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