[Occupymendocino] Fwd: I guess there's no Hillary HQ in FB?
Richard Karch
rkarch at mcn.org
Fri Sep 23 19:53:18 PDT 2016
> I agree with Ann, Ad and John. Can't make the meeting until 1 PM, but John has my proxy.
Richard
> I'm not sure what the bru-haa-haa is all about, but Occupy has agreed to staff the PAC on Saturdays as well as spend $250 per month for the rental of the space, so it seems that if theres a desire to host a meeting or event, O/M could get fair treatment. They always work on the same justice issues that Bernie supports after all! Ann
> From: occupymendocino-bounces at lists.mcn.org <occupymendocino-bounces at lists.mcn.org> on behalf of Mark Safron <marksafron at att.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 12:18:59 PM
> To: occupymendocino at lists.mcn.org
> Subject: [Occupymendocino] I guess there's no Hillary HQ in FB?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:45:50 -0700
> From: "John" <john at cypresshouse.com>
> Subject: [Occupymendocino] FW: Community voices
> To: <occupymendocino at lists.mcn.org>
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> Read from the bottom up. Whether you agree or disagree with my position, consider attending the PAC meeting Monday at Noon. I have a doctor's appointment at 12:30 but will be at the meeting from 12-12:30.
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> Thanks,
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> John
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> From: John [mailto:john at cypresshouse.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:38 AM
> To: 'Rod'; 'susan allen nutter'
> Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: RE: Community voices
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> I want to encourage activism. For me, that means opposition to war, the death penalty, immigration restrictions, etc. It means sponsoring free healthcare, education, privacy rights, etc. Even though I oppose Johnson and Stein, I would welcome a discussion about the Green and Libertarian perspectives.
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> I was not part of a "use" policy. I do not support Hillary but fear Trump. Occupy Mendocino was not asked, nor did we agree to run positions past a Steering Committee. Would you have us stop protesting foreclosures? On the days we agreed to shift the office there was no litmus test for what we could and could not do.
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> We can talk about this on Monday, and if you decide Occupy should go, we'll leave quietly.
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> John
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> From: Rod [mailto:rodjones at mcn.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:26 AM
> To: John; 'susan allen nutter'
> Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: Re: Community voices
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> I?m stumped by your response, John. What is ?pro-activism?? I?ve never even heard the term before. More importantly, do you not require all the time we spent thrashing out a ?use policy? for the ?progressive? center? I believe you were a part of that, no? We queried whether anybody, including Libertarians or KKK members could don the mantle of progressivism and ask not only to use the center but to leave literature there. We tried, as I recalled, to craft a coherent approach and we added even a nominal ?meeting fee? of $10-20 so that we can stay afloat financially. So where did all that go? How did it disappear in your unilateral decision to organize this meeting. If you were, as I recall, a part of the prior discussion about policy and use, wouldn?t it have been appropriate to run this proposal (by simple email notice) by Steering Committee? Isn?t that what a consensus-based group is all about?
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> From: John <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>
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> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:58 AM
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> To: 'susan <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org> allen nutter' ; 'Rod' <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>
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> Cc: 'Sara <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org> Fowler' ; 'Rachel <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org> Miller' ; 'Reggie <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com> Bald' ; 'Dianne <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com> Jeffries'
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> Subject: RE: Community voices
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> I'm not pro-Hillary; I'm pro-activism. If I can't host a political discussion on my shift, I'm gone.
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> john
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> From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:31 PM
> To: Rod
> Cc: John; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
> Subject: Re: Community voices
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> I concur. John, I think you need to move your meeting to another venue. susan
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Rod <rodjones at mcn.org> wrote:
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> I?m not especially pleased by this turn of events. And a word-game solution is not satisfying. We have been impeccably clear that the old Bernie HQ would not be turned into a local Democratic/pro-Hillary HQ ? or at least not without a good deal of discussion. This is why we have a Steering Committee in the first place. I believe we also have been quite clear on the ground rules for local groups using the facility. I haven?t put a year?s worth of blood, sweat and tears into building a Bernie campaign and ? on my own ? spending my energy to find a storefront, only to have it co-opted by the likes of the Hillary squad. Most upsetting. Ready to change the locks.
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> From: <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com> John
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> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:16 PM
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> To: <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org> 'susan allen nutter'
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> Cc: <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org> 'Rod' ; <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org> 'Sara Fowler' ; <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org> 'Rachel Miller' ; <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com> 'Reggie Bald' ; <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com> 'Dianne Jeffries'
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> Subject: RE: Community voices
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> Too late. The meeting is not to endorse Clinton but to organize locals and forward the revolution.
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> From: susan allen nutter [ <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org> mailto:sanutter at mcn.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: John
> Cc: Rod; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
> Subject: Re: Community voices
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> Wait on this. We decided to limit the Center to Congress level on down and not presidential. A fe people have been suggesting to me that we use the Center for Hillary phoning and I have told them it is not available.
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> The Steering Committee should weigh in on this, John. susan
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:39 PM, John < <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com> john at cypresshouse.com> wrote:
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> A rash of Hillary supporters want to meet at the PAC.
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> I'm going to invite them to come at Noon on Sat. (my shift).
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> Hope it's ok.
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> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:21:52 -0700
> From: Adrienne Ross <adross at mcn.org>
> Subject: Re: [Occupymendocino] FW: Community voices
> To: john_fremont <john at cypresshouse.com>
> Cc: occupymendocino at lists.mcn.org
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> As a pro-Occupy person, let me weigh in. I think John is right and his position is progressive. Don't we want more rather than fewer allies in this alliance? I'm sorry I can't come Monday, but John has my proxy. I am totally for inclusion on the left. United Front on issues.
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> ad
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> On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:45 AM, "John" <john at cypresshouse.com> wrote:
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> Read from the bottom up. Whether you agree or disagree with my position, consider attending the PAC meeting Monday at Noon. I have a doctor's appointment at 12:30 but will be at the meeting from 12-12:30.
> Thanks,
> John
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> From: John [mailto:john at cypresshouse.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:38 AM
> To: 'Rod'; 'susan allen nutter'
> Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: RE: Community voices
>
> I want to encourage activism. For me, that means opposition to war, the death penalty, immigration restrictions, etc. It means sponsoring free healthcare, education, privacy rights, etc. Even though I oppose Johnson and Stein, I would welcome a discussion about the Green and Libertarian perspectives.
>
> I was not part of a "use" policy. I do not support Hillary but fear Trump. Occupy Mendocino was not asked, nor did we agree to run positions past a Steering Committee. Would you have us stop protesting foreclosures? On the days we agreed to shift the office there was no litmus test for what we could and could not do.
>
> We can talk about this on Monday, and if you decide Occupy should go, we'll leave quietly.
>
> John
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> From: Rod [mailto:rodjones at mcn.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:26 AM
> To: John; 'susan allen nutter'
> Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: Re: Community voices
>
> I?m stumped by your response, John. What is ?pro-activism?? I?ve never even heard the term before. More importantly, do you not require all the time we spent thrashing out a ?use policy? for the ?progressive? center? I believe you were a part of that, no? We queried whether anybody, including Libertarians or KKK members could don the mantle of progressivism and ask not only to use the center but to leave literature there. We tried, as I recalled, to craft a coherent approach and we added even a nominal ?meeting fee? of $10-20 so that we can stay afloat financially. So where did all that go? How did it disappear in your unilateral decision to organize this meeting. If you were, as I recall, a part of the prior discussion about policy and use, wouldn?t it have been appropriate to run this proposal (by simple email notice) by Steering Committee? Isn?t that what a consensus-based group is all about?
>
> From: John
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:58 AM
> To: 'susan allen nutter' ; 'Rod'
> Cc: 'Sara Fowler' ; 'Rachel Miller' ; 'Reggie Bald' ; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: RE: Community voices
>
> I'm not pro-Hillary; I'm pro-activism. If I can't host a political discussion on my shift, I'm gone.
> john
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> From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:31 PM
> To: Rod
> Cc: John; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
> Subject: Re: Community voices
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> I concur. John, I think you need to move your meeting to another venue. susan
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Rod <rodjones at mcn.org> wrote:
>
> I?m not especially pleased by this turn of events. And a word-game solution is not satisfying. We have been impeccably clear that the old Bernie HQ would not be turned into a local Democratic/pro-Hillary HQ ? or at least not without a good deal of discussion. This is why we have a Steering Committee in the first place. I believe we also have been quite clear on the ground rules for local groups using the facility. I haven?t put a year?s worth of blood, sweat and tears into building a Bernie campaign and ? on my own ? spending my energy to find a storefront, only to have it co-opted by the likes of the Hillary squad. Most upsetting. Ready to change the locks.
>
> From: John
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'susan allen nutter'
> Cc: 'Rod' ; 'Sara Fowler' ; 'Rachel Miller' ; 'Reggie Bald' ; 'Dianne Jeffries'
> Subject: RE: Community voices
>
> Too late. The meeting is not to endorse Clinton but to organize locals and forward the revolution.
>
> From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: John
> Cc: Rod; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
> Subject: Re: Community voices
>
> Wait on this. We decided to limit the Center to Congress level on down and not presidential. A fe people have been suggesting to me that we use the Center for Hillary phoning and I have told them it is not available.
>
> The Steering Committee should weigh in on this, John. susan
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:39 PM, John <john at cypresshouse.com> wrote:
>
> A rash of Hillary supporters want to meet at the PAC.
> I'm going to invite them to come at Noon on Sat. (my shift).
> Hope it's ok.
>
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