[Occupymendocino] I guess there's no Hillary HQ in FB?

Fri Sep 23 12:18:59 PDT 2016

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:45:50 -0700
From: "John" <john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>>
Subject: [Occupymendocino] FW: Community voices
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Read from the bottom up. Whether you agree or disagree with my position, consider attending the PAC meeting Monday at Noon. I have a doctor's appointment at 12:30 but will be at the meeting from 12-12:30.

Thanks,

John

From: John [mailto:john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:38 AM
To: 'Rod'; 'susan allen nutter'
Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: RE: Community voices 

I want to encourage activism. For me, that means opposition to war, the death penalty, immigration restrictions, etc. It means sponsoring free healthcare, education, privacy rights, etc. Even though I oppose Johnson and Stein, I would welcome a discussion about the Green and Libertarian perspectives.

I was not part of a "use" policy. I do not support Hillary but fear Trump. Occupy Mendocino was not asked, nor did we agree to run positions past a Steering Committee. Would you have us stop protesting foreclosures? On the days we agreed to shift the office there was no litmus test for what we could and could not do.

We can talk about this on Monday, and if you decide Occupy should go, we'll leave quietly.

John

From: Rod [mailto:rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: John; 'susan allen nutter'
Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: Re: Community voices 

I?m stumped by your response, John.  What is ?pro-activism??  I?ve never even heard the term before.  More importantly, do you not require all the time we spent thrashing out a ?use policy? for the ?progressive? center?  I believe you were a part of that, no?  We queried whether anybody, including Libertarians or KKK members could don the mantle of progressivism and ask not only to use the center but to leave literature there.  We tried, as I recalled, to craft a coherent approach and we added even a nominal ?meeting fee? of $10-20 so that we can stay afloat financially.  So where did all that go?  How did it disappear in your unilateral decision to organize this meeting.  If you were, as I recall, a part of the prior discussion about policy and use, wouldn?t it have been appropriate to run this proposal (by simple email notice) by Steering Committee?  Isn?t that what a consensus-based group is all about?

From: John <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>>  

Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:58 AM

To: 'susan <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>>  allen nutter' ; 'Rod' <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>>  

Cc: 'Sara <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org>>  Fowler' ; 'Rachel <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org>>  Miller' ; 'Reggie <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com>>  Bald' ; 'Dianne <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com>>  Jeffries' 

Subject: RE: Community voices 

I'm not pro-Hillary; I'm pro-activism. If I can't host a political discussion on my shift, I'm gone.

john

From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:31 PM
To: Rod
Cc: John; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
Subject: Re: Community voices 

I concur. John, I think you need to move your meeting to another venue. susan

On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Rod <rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>> wrote:

I?m not especially pleased by this turn of events.  And a word-game solution is not satisfying.  We have been impeccably clear that the old Bernie HQ would not be turned into a local Democratic/pro-Hillary HQ ? or at least not without a good deal of discussion.  This is why we have a Steering Committee in the first place.  I believe we also have been quite clear on the ground rules for local groups using the facility.  I haven?t put a year?s worth of blood, sweat and tears into building a Bernie campaign and ? on my own ? spending my energy to find a storefront, only to have it co-opted by the likes of the Hillary squad. Most upsetting.  Ready to change the locks.

From:  <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>> John

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:16 PM

To:  <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>> 'susan allen nutter'

Cc:  <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>> 'Rod' ;  <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org <mailto:sfowler at mcn.org>> 'Sara Fowler' ;  <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org <mailto:rsmiller at mcn.org>> 'Rachel Miller' ; <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com <mailto:regni2011 at gmail.com>> 'Reggie Bald' ;  <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com <mailto:dj16101 at yahoo.com>> 'Dianne Jeffries'

Subject: RE: Community voices 

Too late. The meeting is not to endorse Clinton but to organize locals and forward the revolution.

From: susan allen nutter [ <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>> mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:01 PM
To: John
Cc: Rod; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
Subject: Re: Community voices 

Wait on this.  We decided to limit the Center to Congress level on down and not presidential.  A fe people have been suggesting to me that we use the Center for Hillary phoning and I have told them it is not available.

The Steering Committee should weigh in on this, John.  susan

On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:39 PM, John < <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>> john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>> wrote:

A rash of Hillary supporters want to meet at the PAC.

I'm going to invite them to come at Noon on Sat. (my shift).

Hope it's ok.

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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:21:52 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Occupymendocino] FW: Community voices
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As a pro-Occupy person, let me weigh in.  I think John is right and his position is progressive.  Don't we want more rather than fewer allies in this alliance? I'm  sorry I can't come Monday, but John has my proxy.   I am totally for inclusion on the left.  United Front on issues.  

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On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:45 AM, "John" <john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>> wrote:

Read from the bottom up. Whether you agree or disagree with my position, consider attending the PAC meeting Monday at Noon. I have a doctor's appointment at 12:30 but will be at the meeting from 12-12:30.
Thanks,
John

From: John [mailto:john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:38 AM
To: 'Rod'; 'susan allen nutter'
Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: RE: Community voices

I want to encourage activism. For me, that means opposition to war, the death penalty, immigration restrictions, etc. It means sponsoring free healthcare, education, privacy rights, etc. Even though I oppose Johnson and Stein, I would welcome a discussion about the Green and Libertarian perspectives.

I was not part of a "use" policy. I do not support Hillary but fear Trump. Occupy Mendocino was not asked, nor did we agree to run positions past a Steering Committee. Would you have us stop protesting foreclosures? On the days we agreed to shift the office there was no litmus test for what we could and could not do.

We can talk about this on Monday, and if you decide Occupy should go, we'll leave quietly.

John

From: Rod [mailto:rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 10:26 AM
To: John; 'susan allen nutter'
Cc: 'Sara Fowler'; 'Rachel Miller'; 'Reggie Bald'; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: Re: Community voices

I?m stumped by your response, John.  What is ?pro-activism??  I?ve never even heard the term before.  More importantly, do you not require all the time we spent thrashing out a ?use policy? for the ?progressive? center?  I believe you were a part of that, no?  We queried whether anybody, including Libertarians or KKK members could don the mantle of progressivism and ask not only to use the center but to leave literature there.  We tried, as I recalled, to craft a coherent approach and we added even a nominal ?meeting fee? of $10-20 so that we can stay afloat financially.  So where did all that go?  How did it disappear in your unilateral decision to organize this meeting.  If you were, as I recall, a part of the prior discussion about policy and use, wouldn?t it have been appropriate to run this proposal (by simple email notice) by Steering Committee?  Isn?t that what a consensus-based group is all about?

From: John
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:58 AM
To: 'susan allen nutter' ; 'Rod'
Cc: 'Sara Fowler' ; 'Rachel Miller' ; 'Reggie Bald' ; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: RE: Community voices

I'm not pro-Hillary; I'm pro-activism. If I can't host a political discussion on my shift, I'm gone.
john

From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:31 PM
To: Rod
Cc: John; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
Subject: Re: Community voices

I concur. John, I think you need to move your meeting to another venue. susan
On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Rod <rodjones at mcn.org <mailto:rodjones at mcn.org>> wrote:

I?m not especially pleased by this turn of events.  And a word-game solution is not satisfying.  We have been impeccably clear that the old Bernie HQ would not be turned into a local Democratic/pro-Hillary HQ ? or at least not without a good deal of discussion.  This is why we have a Steering Committee in the first place.  I believe we also have been quite clear on the ground rules for local groups using the facility.  I haven?t put a year?s worth of blood, sweat and tears into building a Bernie campaign and ? on my own ? spending my energy to find a storefront, only to have it co-opted by the likes of the Hillary squad. Most upsetting.  Ready to change the locks.

From: John
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'susan allen nutter'
Cc: 'Rod' ; 'Sara Fowler' ; 'Rachel Miller' ; 'Reggie Bald' ; 'Dianne Jeffries'
Subject: RE: Community voices 

Too late. The meeting is not to endorse Clinton but to organize locals and forward the revolution.

From: susan allen nutter [mailto:sanutter at mcn.org <mailto:sanutter at mcn.org>] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:01 PM
To: John
Cc: Rod; Sara Fowler; Rachel Miller; Reggie Bald; Dianne Jeffries
Subject: Re: Community voices 

Wait on this.  We decided to limit the Center to Congress level on down and not presidential.  A fe people have been suggesting to me that we use the Center for Hillary phoning and I have told them it is not available.

The Steering Committee should weigh in on this, John.  susan
On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:39 PM, John <john at cypresshouse.com <mailto:john at cypresshouse.com>> wrote:

A rash of Hillary supporters want to meet at the PAC.
I'm going to invite them to come at Noon on Sat. (my shift).
Hope it's ok.

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