<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Marco McClean</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:memo@mcn.org">memo@mcn.org</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 7:34 PM<br>Subject: [MCN-Announce]- Recognizing when you're allowing yourself to be trolled.<br>To: <a href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org">announce@lists.mcn.org</a> <<a href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org">announce@lists.mcn.org</a>><br></div><br><br>On 1/1/2024 5:00 PM, alan haack wrote:<br>
> I think the same moderation guidelines should be used on both lists. <br>
There is no rational for providing a dumping ground, like the Discussion <br>
List is now.<br>
<br>
Marco here, Alan. If you don't like /the whole list/ of people, why <br>
subscribe to it, unless it's like a Mormon subscribing to Hustler, for <br>
the same titillating reason normal readers would, but with the added <br>
attraction of getting high on your own moral outrage at the same time, <br>
which many Mormons consider hot, I have read. (The porn-use heat map is <br>
past orange and into brown in Mormon country.) And if it's only one or <br>
two people in the group who you can't stand, why not just block their <br>
email addresses? And if that's not good enough, because others allow <br>
themselves to be trolled by them into responding so you see them anyway, <br>
filter out emails whose body text contains the offender's name. And the <br>
next day when you look, only the wonderful people are there and the <br>
trolls are not, and you can lean back and breathe, "Ahhhh," and wonder <br>
why you didn't do this a long time ago. And if they're fixated on you, <br>
when they realize they're not reaching you and they make up another <br>
Secret Squirrel name for themself, block that.<br>
<br>
If the reason you don't solve it in those ways is that they're still out <br>
there somewhere, sitting at the computer in their undershorts, writing <br>
jerky things and woo-hooing and picking their nose and being awful, <br>
/maybe thinking they're saving the world from people like you/, and the <br>
idea of not keeping current on their output frightens you, here's some <br>
really scary news: There are millions and millions of people in the <br>
world, maybe a thousand miles away, but also maybe right next door or <br>
down the street or facing you across the counter in the store, who are <br>
thinking and saying and writing horrible things all the time where you <br>
can't hear, and you will never know which ones they are or what exactly <br>
they're bigoted about or how much they despise people like you, because <br>
there's only so much time in the day to punch yourself in the nose with <br>
media. Life is short. Why waste it rising to trolls? You're only giving <br>
them what they want.<br>
<br>
All along, you have had a magic button you can press to make everyone <br>
you hate vanish from your life. But you seem to want a button you can <br>
press to make everyone you hate vanish from everyone else's life too. <br>
The first thing is fair and right, the second thing isn't, because if <br>
everyone had the second kind of button, how many people would be left in <br>
all the world? Very few, and they'd probably all be sweet-natured Down <br>
syndrome people without a mean bone in their body, which might be nice <br>
for them for like five minutes, and then where did their loved ones go? <br>
And what happens when the utilities break down, and the fuel deliveries <br>
stop, and nobody's feeding any of the billions of fenced and shut in <br>
farm animals and zoo animals and pets, and so on. Maybe in a couple <br>
hundred thousand years or so, raccoons or ravens might evolve to have <br>
really big brains and develop a civilization of their own, and send <br>
scientists into the poison zones to learn about what our kind were like <br>
from the durable crap we left behind, titanium golf clubs and hip <br>
joints, gold jewelry, strata of compacted telephone books in landfills, <br>
a pyramid or two, and figure us out.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Marco McClean, <a href="mailto:memo@mcn.org" target="_blank">memo@mcn.org</a><br>
<a href="https://MemoOfTheAir.wordpress.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://MemoOfTheAir.wordpress.com</a><br>
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