<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div aria-label="Compose body">Bravo!</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Doug McKenty" <dougmck@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"kzyxtalk" <kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 30, 2016 8:16:07 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- "Risk being fired?" Re: Tim Bray KZYX statements<br><div><br></div><div>I have always had a simple idea and have been amazed at how thick the BS get while nobody talks about it. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Here is the idea:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">KZYX is in perpetual financial jeopardy because it's programming does not reflect the needs of our community. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">It is unfair that a handful of people have taken over programming decisions despite board policy requiring a democratic process. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This community should make those people follow board policy in order to democratize the programming decision making process, so the programming will reflect the needs of the community. This will result in more community financial support for the station. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Doesn't this makes sense? </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Ask yourselves why I can't even present this common sense rational without being accused of all sorts of insanity. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This community really needs to take a hard look at itself...</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Doug </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 30, 2016, at 7:00 PM, <a href="mailto:sako4@comcast.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:sako4@comcast.net">sako4@comcast.net</a> wrote:<br><div><br></div></div><blockquote><div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000" data-mce-style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;">Programmer-elected Board members don't do shit for KZYX programmers. Stuart Campbell told me so himself when I asked why he wasn't advocating for me, Doug McKenty, Dr. Richard Miller, and Norman De Vall when we all rather rudely lost our shows when we spoke up against Coate-Aigner and their self-dealing, cronyism, and dominance of station politics, finances, and programming. Campbell just step aside when we were purged. He doesn't represent labor. He's a company man through and through...pro-management in every respect until he himself became management.</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;"><br></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;" data-mce-style="color: #333333; font-family: monospace; font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: #fdfdfd;">Again, with at least two shows on the KZYX schedule for years and years and years, Tim Bray is part of the problem. He should "term out". </span></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style="color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Derek" <<a href="mailto:helios@saber.net" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:helios@saber.net">helios@saber.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"announce" <<a href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org">announce@lists.mcn.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 30, 2016 6:44:25 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [MCN-Announce]- "Risk being fired?" Re: Tim Bray KZYX statements<br><div><br></div>Oh my, I can't let this pass, I'll just break Tim Bray's babble talk <br>down so it's more easily understood.<br><div><br></div>Eric Sunswheat implied that KZYX programmers speaking critically about <br>the station, or management, would lose their shows.<br><div><br></div>Tim Bray responded with a question, implying Mr. Sunswheat didn't know <br>what he was talking about.<br><div><br></div>Then Mr. Bray said, "Programmers are as free as anyone else to write <br>opinions.".<br><div><br></div>Which is technically correct, anyone is free to write opinions, but Mr. <br>Bray cleverly neglects to mention anything about specific opinions <br>concerning KZYX.<br><div><br></div>Mr. Bray followed that with, "The only time we represent the station <br>(and thus have to issue the disclaimer) is when we are on the air.".<br><div><br></div>Mr. Bray wants you to think those two sentences go together, but they <br>don't, as neither of them actually refute Mr. Sunswheat's assertion, but <br>Mr. Bray would like you to think that they do.<br><div><br></div>And see how Mr. Bray uses a canard to avoid the issue, the second <br>sentence adds nothing to the conversation, except to confuse those who <br>aren't paying closer attention, it's a common tactic used by those who <br>want manipulate others opinions.<br><div><br></div>So, as a 34+ year radio broadcaster, and 13 year programmer on KZYX, let <br>me add this, Eric Sunswheat is correct, KZYX programmers were always <br>under threat of losing their shows if they wrote or spoke publicly about <br>anything critical of KZYX management, staff, or associated monkey <br>business, that is a fact, and there are multiple email threads about it <br>that were posted over the years to the private KZYX programmers <br>listserv, it's irrefutable.<br><div><br></div>Fortunately, now that KZYX has a new General Manager, I believe this not <br>so tacit "policy" isn't in effect anymore, I may be mistaken about that, <br>but I believe the current GM is a wise person, and I've seen plenty of <br>evidence that she isn't afraid of open dialog, which I see as a <br>refreshing change for the better.<br><div><br></div>Now, back to Mr. Bray, please notice how he avoids Scott Peterson's <br>important information with a shallow dismissal, and moves right to the <br>crux of the matter by stating, "The fact is that we have had <br>programmer-elected Board members (along with the restriction on the <br>number of seats that can be held by programmers) for as long as I can <br>remember, and I've never heard anyone raise an objection until now.".<br><div><br></div>The last part of that sentence betrays Mr. Bray's lockstep adherence to <br>the old KZYX party line, he's actually attempting to dismiss Mr. <br>Peterson's information by using the the old, "well, it's always been <br>this way, so no need to change it, even if it's wrong", canard.<br><div><br></div>Astounding, and unfortunately, some folks believe it, because Mr. Bray <br>presents himself as such a "reasonable" person.<br><div><br></div>Yeah, reasonable enough to throw water on me, and another KZYX member <br>who was speaking out at a MCPB/KZYX board meeting against corruption, <br>it's called "assault" and it's legally actionable.<br><div><br></div>I witnessed Mr. Bray harassing and bulling that member, even getting up <br>in his face, very closely, and calling him rude names, in a crude <br>attempt to silence him from objecting to what that member believed to be <br>illegal board activity.<br><div><br></div>And I believe there most certainly is cronyism at KZYX , and it's NOT <br>the whistle blowers like John Sakowicz, it starts at the Board level, <br>and infected the past staff, and many Philo based programmers, including <br>Mr. Bray.<br><div><br></div>Nobody I've ever spoken to about this has a "vendetta" against KZYX, as <br>so many have asserted, and nobody wants to see KZYX "die", as others <br>have said, and if anyone speaks out against the KZYX lockstep hive mind, <br>then they are accused of being associated with John Sakowicz (as if it's <br>some kind of evil thing), but these are all shallow canards used to <br>marginalize, and demean, anyone who dares ask important questions, or <br>speaks critically about KZYX, staff, management, or finances.<br><div><br></div>What's really sad here, is that most folks can't be bothered to see that <br>their Community radio station has been co-opted by those who have been <br>slowly strangling it, and closing it to the wider voice of the <br>Community, and instead, are vilifying those who are the whistle blowers.<br><div><br></div>With the multiple KZYX members coming forward to point out the serious <br>problems with KZYX and the MCPB Board, how can anyone honestly believe <br>that all of these independent whistle blowers are wrong, crazy, hateful, <br>etc., apparently some folks have lost their ability for critical thinking.<br><div><br></div>Derek -<br><div><br></div>P.S. Yeah, yeah, I know, take it to the discussion list, like I'm ever <br>going back there again, ha, ha, ha.<br><div><br></div>----------<br><div><br></div>On 5/30/2016 4:20 PM, Eric Sunswheat wrote:<br>> >On 5/30/2016 11:54 AM, Eric Sunswheat wrote:<br>> ><br>> >Note that Tim Bray wrote his own opinion not necessarily that of, policies<br>> >up held by rules of governance, the members, staff, management and or its<br>> >board of directors, and as programmer he best include limitations in email<br>> >or risk be fired.<br>> >Eric<br>> ><br><div><br></div><br>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote:<br>><br>>> > What are you talking about?<br>>> ><br>>> >Programmers are as free as anyone else to write opinions. The only time<br>>> >we represent the station (and thus have to issue the disclaimer) is when we<br>>> >are on the air.<br>>> ><br>>> >As for Peterson's questions, I'll leave that to the barracks-room<br>>> >lawyers. The fact is that we have had programmer-elected Board members<br>>> >(along with the restriction on the number of seats that can be held by<br>>> >programmers) for as long as I can remember, and I've never heard anyone<br>>> >raise an objection until now. For some reason Sacowicz and his cronies<br>>> >have directed their ire at Campbell, and this is just part of their<br>>> >campaign against him. Sure seems like there are more constructive ways to<br>>> >spend time.<br>>> >--<br>>> >Cheers,<br>>> >Tim<br>>> >Ecology Hour<<a href="https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/">https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/</a>><br>>> >Oak & Thorn<<a href="http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com">http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com</a>><br>>> >Facebook: Oak and Thorn<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/oakandthorn" target="_blank" data-mce-href="https://www.facebook.com/oakandthorn">https://www.facebook.com/oakandthorn</a>><br><div><br></div>From: Scott Peterson<br>Date: Mon, May 30, 2016 at 10:42 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Fwd: Raoul van Hall<br><div><br></div>opinions aren't the point here .. the rules are ..<br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>MCPB Bylaws:<br><div><br></div>Article IX. MEMBERSHIP<br><div><br></div>Section 9.01 Classification:<br><div><br></div>1) There shall be one (1) class of Member in MCPB.<br><div><br></div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div>what Mr. Bray is proposing is that there are actually two classes of<br>members .. and this has been<br>the case for thirteen years .. which would be fine and dandy except for the<br>date on each and every<br>page of the bylaws .. at the lower left-hand corner:<br><div><br></div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div>Adopted 12 July 2010<br><div><br></div><br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div><br>so now it appears that we have two classes of rules ..<br><div><br></div>__________________________________________________________<br>__________________________________________________________<br><div><br></div>Announcement mailing list<br><a href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org">announce@lists.mcn.org</a><br>The Mendocino Community Network (MCN) provides the MCN Announcement list.<br>Use of the list is subject to the terms of service at<br><a href="http://www.mcn.org/email/atos.html" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.mcn.org/email/atos.html">http://www.mcn.org/email/atos.html</a><br><div><br></div>__________________________________________________________<br>__________________________________________________________<br><div><br></div>TO POST to this list send emails to <a href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:announce@lists.mcn.org">announce@lists.mcn.org</a> <br>TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send an email to <a href="mailto:announce-leave@lists.mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:announce-leave@lists.mcn.org">announce-leave@lists.mcn.org</a><br>*** To complete the process you must reply to the email you receive in response. ***<br><div><br></div>For listserv technical problems please contact:<br><a href="mailto:listmanager@mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:listmanager@mcn.org">listmanager@mcn.org</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Kzyxtalk mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org">Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk</a></span><br></div></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kzyxtalk mailing list<br>Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org<br>http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk<br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>