<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31322"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31321">Gentle(?)persons!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31322"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31322" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31549">Can we please freakin' state our opinions without name-calling?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31322" dir="ltr">What's the objective? Destruction or improvement?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31322"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31509">Does meanspeak uh,Trump common courtesy when trying for change?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31320"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31319">Vitriol just splatters the spewer along with the target.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31320"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31318"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31318">Respectfully,<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31318">Liz</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31324"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31332" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31331"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31330"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31329"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31328"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31327"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "sako4@comcast.net" <sako4@comcast.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> kzyxtalk <kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 30, 2016 11:59 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Tim Bray KZYX statement Re: Raoul van Hall<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31398"><br><div id="yiv4560435194"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31397"><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31396"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31621">Tim Bray is part of the problem -- a big part. Bray has how many shows on the KZYX schedule? Two? Three? He has everything to lose in a change in direction at KZYX. He is a show hog.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Raoul and others talk about about "internal politics" and "cronyism". Tim Bray is the very face of internal politics and cronyism.</div><div><br></div><hr id="yiv4560435194zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464634213110_31395"><b>From: </b>"Eric Sunswheat" <eric.sunswheat@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"announce" <announce@lists.mcn.org>, discussion@lists.mcn.org, "Scott Peterson" <scottmartinpeterson@hotmail.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 30, 2016 11:54:35 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>[MCN-Announce]- Tim Bray KZYX statement Re: Raoul van Hall<br><div><br></div>Note that Tim Bray wrote his own opinion not necessarily that of, policies<br>up held by rules of governance, the members, staff, management and or its<br>board of directors, and as programmer he best include limitations in email<br>or risk be fired.<br>Eric<br><div><br></div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Scott Peterson<br>Date: Mon, May 30, 2016 at 10:42 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Fwd: Raoul van Hall<br><div><br></div>opinions aren't the point here .. the rules are ..<br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br>MCPB Bylaws:<br><div><br></div>Article IX. MEMBERSHIP<br><div><br></div>Section 9.01 Classification:<br><div><br></div>1) There shall be one (1) class of Member in MCPB.<br><div><br></div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div>what Mr. Bray is proposing is that there are actually two classes of<br>members .. and this has been<br>the case for thirteen years .. which would be fine and dandy except for the<br>date on each and every<br>page of the bylaws .. at the lower left-hand corner:<br><div><br></div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div>Adopted 12 July 2010<br><div><br></div><br>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br><div><br></div><br>so now it appears that we have two classes of rules ..<br><div><br></div><br>On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org> wrote:<br><div><br></div>><br>> I do know Stuart Campbell, and have seen nothing to suggest he is anything<br>> like the villain Sakowicz portrays.<br>><br>> It's a good thing Campbell isn't such a villain, because he was just<br>> elected to the Board, on which he will serve a three-year term. During<br>> his previous term on the Board, Campbell was largely responsible for<br>> reviving the committee structure, getting more off-Board members involved,<br>> and restarting the Community Advisory Board.<br>><br>> Coincidentally, John Sakowicz just lost re-election, after a three-year<br>> term in which he managed to alienate every one of the other 8 Board<br>> members, along with most of the Membership. Nevertheless, he remained on<br>> the Board (doing a lot of damage, but accomplishing little) for his full<br>> three-year term. The only way to remove an elected Board member is by a<br>> recall election - the Board cannot do it, no matter how egregious the<br>> misconduct.<br>> Many people would have gladly voted Sako off, but recall elections are<br>> difficult, expensive, and nasty business, so we just endured him until his<br>> term was up.<br>><br>> --<br>> Cheers,<br>> Tim<br>> Ecology Hour <https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/><br>> Oak & Thorn <http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com><br>> Facebook: Oak and Thorn <https://www.facebook.com/oakandthorn><br>><br>> <snip><br>__________________________________________________________<br>__________________________________________________________<br><div><br></div>Announcement mailing list<br>announce@lists.mcn.org<br>The Mendocino Community Network (MCN) provides the MCN Announcement list.<br>Use of the list is subject to the terms of service at<br>http://www.mcn.org/email/atos.html<br><div><br></div>__________________________________________________________<br>__________________________________________________________<br><div><br></div>TO POST to this list send emails to announce@lists.mcn.org <br>TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send an email to announce-leave@lists.mcn.org<br>*** To complete the process you must reply to the email you receive in response. ***<br><div><br></div>For listserv technical problems please contact:<br>listmanager@mcn.org<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kzyxtalk mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org" href="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org">Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk" target="_blank">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>