[Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Tim Bray KZYX statement Re: Raoul van Hall

[Liz Helenchild]

Gentle(?)persons!
Can we please freakin' state our opinions without name-calling?What's the objective? Destruction or improvement?Does meanspeak uh,Trump common courtesy when trying for change?Vitriol just splatters the spewer along with the target.

Respectfully,
Liz

      From: "sako4 at comcast.net" <sako4 at comcast.net>
 To: kzyxtalk <kzyxtalk at lists.mcn.org> 
 Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Tim Bray KZYX statement Re: Raoul van Hall
   
Tim Bray is part of the problem -- a big part. Bray has how many shows on the KZYX schedule? Two? Three? He has everything to lose in a change in direction at KZYX. He is a show hog.

Raoul and others talk about about "internal politics" and "cronyism". Tim Bray is the very face of internal politics and cronyism.
From: "Eric Sunswheat" <eric.sunswheat at gmail.com>
To: "announce" <announce at lists.mcn.org>, discussion at lists.mcn.org, "Scott Peterson" <scottmartinpeterson at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:54:35 AM
Subject: [MCN-Announce]- Tim Bray KZYX statement Re:  Raoul van Hall

Note that Tim Bray wrote his own opinion not necessarily that of, policies
up held by rules of governance, the members, staff, management and or its
board of directors, and as programmer he best include limitations in email
or risk be fired.
Eric

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Scott Peterson
Date: Mon, May 30, 2016 at 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Announce]- Fwd: Raoul van Hall

opinions aren't the point here .. the rules are ..
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MCPB Bylaws:

Article IX. MEMBERSHIP

Section 9.01 Classification:

1)  There shall be one (1) class of Member in MCPB.

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what Mr. Bray is proposing is that there are actually two classes of
members .. and this has been
the case for thirteen years .. which would be fine and dandy except for the
date on each and every
page of the bylaws .. at the lower left-hand corner:

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Adopted 12 July 2010


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so now it appears that we have two classes of rules ..


On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Tim Bray <tbray at mcn.org> wrote:

>
> I do know Stuart Campbell, and have seen nothing to suggest he is anything
> like the villain Sakowicz portrays.
>
> It's a good thing Campbell isn't such a villain, because he was just
> elected to the Board, on which he will serve a three-year term.   During
> his previous term on the Board, Campbell was largely responsible for
> reviving the committee structure, getting more off-Board members involved,
> and restarting the Community Advisory Board.
>
> Coincidentally, John Sakowicz just lost re-election, after a three-year
> term in which he managed to alienate every one of the other 8 Board
> members, along with most of the Membership.  Nevertheless, he remained on
> the Board (doing a lot of damage, but accomplishing little) for his full
> three-year term.  The only way to remove an elected Board member is by a
> recall election - the Board cannot do it, no matter how egregious the
> misconduct.
> Many people would have gladly voted Sako off, but recall elections are
> difficult, expensive, and nasty business, so we just endured him until his
> term was up.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Ecology Hour <https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/>
> Oak & Thorn <http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com>
> Facebook: Oak and Thorn <https://www.facebook.com/oakandthorn>
>
> <snip>
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