[Kzyxtalk] CAB Programmer Policy

[Tim Gregory]

that's not how i remember it, doug...the programming advisory council was made
explicitly advisory, by board language. it had nice people, but it was dead in the
water.

long before the PAC was 'won' by the community groups, there was a moat around
philo. others may characterize events as they like, but i don't see, nor wish to see
the same culture returning.

in essence the CAB addresses MCPB as a whole. the PAC, when it re-arrives, will
likely concentrate on our programming in its particulars...
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One other thing. Many people get confused about the PAC as if it is the same as the
CAB.

The CAB is required by the CPB to gather community input, it was given the power to
appoint one member to the PAC which actually had the power to make programming
choices.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Tim Gregory <tgregory at saber.net> wrote:
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> the PAC right off was given their homework by the PD and met what, 4 times a year?
> all the replacement members were chosen by her also, as i recall. the CACs and CAG
> were gone...
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> this was the time when the moatbridge was raised by the board, not lowered, for
> community involvment with our programming...
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> I don't think the PAC was a big fail because of the way it was set up. I think it
> failed because staff did not feel like working with it, so chose to ditch it.
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> Doug
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Tim Gregory <tgregory at saber.net> wrote:
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>> not to split hairs, but with a few notable exceptions, the CAB has been the pro
>> forma
>> requirement for grant money.
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>> The CAG was made of reps from CACs, committees of boosters in different parts of
>> the
>> footprint...until the creation of the PAC, which most would now agree was a big
>> fail...
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>> i look forward to CAB possibly producing something insightful, but not holding my
>> breath.  new PAC parameters have been promised...
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>>
>> The CAG was the old vernacular for the current CAB. Hard to keep it all together
>> sometimes...
>>
>> I don't think Campbell is on the CAB, just Bushansky.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Scott Peterson <scottmartinpeterson at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> I just found this little gem:
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>>> "T Gregory: Previous CAGs failed because the most interested parties were
>>> programmers,
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>>> and could not serve on the CAG (on advice from a lawyer in DC). Board is
>>> discussing
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>>> CAG requirements, not talking about hearing from the public. I question the
>>> authenticity
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>>> of the effort. It's seen as a formality, with everything round-filed.
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>>> it's from KZYX meeting minutes here:
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>>> http://www.kzyx.org/images/pdf/mtg_minutes/KZYX%20Board%20mtg%20minutes%2012-08.pdf
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>>> The 'CAG' here stood for 'Community Advisory Group' .. which I'm assuming is the
>>> 'CAB' or
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>>> 'Community Advisory Board' we have today ..
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>>> so in summary -- according to a DC lawyer -- programmers shouldn't serve on the
>>> CAB ..
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>>> which takes us to Bob Bushansky and Stuart Campbell .. Mr. Bushansky is now a
>>> programmer ..
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>>> with a very exciting show titled, 'Politics - a Love Story' .. So is Mr.
>>> Campbell
>>> .. with a riveting
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>>> show of his own titled, 'Consider This' .. all reported on the KZYX website
>>> here:
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>>> http://www.kzyx.org/Board/KZYX%20State%20of%20the%20Station%20Report%20January%202016.pdf
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>>> so assuming this 'lawyer in DC' knows what they're talking about -- how can two
>>> programmers
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>>> serve on the Community Advisory Board? .. and if they're not serving on the CAB,
>>> then who is?
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