[Kzyxtalk] [MCN-Discussion]- Edward Snowden Is Acting Very Strange Inside Russia

[King Collins]

Someone said:
> Snowden is acting very strange inside Russia.

As far as I am concerned, Edward Snowden can act anyway he damned well pleases. He's already done what needed to be done. A bunch of talk after the fact does not diminish his contribution to my liberty and my welfare.. Maybe he will turn out to be a pervert and a no-count, but I don't think so. Besides I see nothing in those exchanges that makes him any less a hero. --king collins


On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Paul Baum wrote:

> John Fremont,  Why not debate the actual issues, instead of juvenile
> personal attacks?
> 
> Not very convincing.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:36 PM, John Fremont <john at cypresshouse.com> wrote:
> 
>> Give it up, Paulie.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-bounces at lists.mcn.org [mailto:
>> discussion-bounces at lists.mcn.org] On Behalf Of Paul Baum
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>> Subject: [MCN-Discussion]- Edward Snowden Is Acting Very Strange Inside
>> Russia
>> 
>> Snowden Is Acting Very Strange Inside Russia by Michael Weiss
>> 4.13.15
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/13/edward-snowden-is-acting-very-strange-inside-russia.html
>> 
>> "I think there is some sort of a deal with the Russian authorities. It
>> seems Snowden insisted that he’d never be used by Russian propaganda. He
>> never made it onto RT or other state media outlets and of course they would
>> be happy to have him."
>> 
>> "He tries to be completely invisible in Russia. There was a strange case a
>> few months ago. The Russian Association of Electronic Communication, or
>> RAEC, announced in the spring of 2014 that they’d secured an approval from
>> Snowden to have a special Snowden prize for Internet media… So RAEC had the
>> ceremony in December. I was there. The problem was, there was no sign of
>> Snowden! There was not even a video message from him, just nothing."
>> 
>> "It seems the idea is to stress that he’s just not in the U.S., he’s
>> somewhere, but not in Russia. I don’t think it was his strategy from the
>> beginning. After all, he questioned Putin last April during Putin’s annual
>> question-and-answer press conference about mass surveillance in Russia."
>> 
>> So my impression is that it’s not his decision.
>> 
>> But that gives the lie that he’s not being controlled.
>> 
>> [Soldatov nods.]
>> 
>> "He’s clearly being exploited—after all, many repressive measures on the
>> Internet in Russia were presented to Russians as a response to Snowden’s
>> revelations. For instance, the legislation to relocate the servers of
>> global platforms to Russia by September of this year, to make them
>> available for the Russian secret services, was presented as a measure to
>> assure the security of Russian citizens’ personal data."
>> 
>> "I was told that there was some talk in American human-rights
>> organizations that there might be interviews arranged for Russian
>> journalists. But that never happened. So obviously Snowden’s handlers told
>> him that he could say whatever he wants about the NSA and so on, but only
>> to American journalists coming from the United States."
>> 
>> "What I find interesting about this is that in December of 2014 Snowden,
>> when asked about his security situation at the Amnesty International event,
>> said, “My security’s great. I live a fairly normal life, I ride the Moscow
>> underground when I go about day to day.”
>> 
>> "Thus he’s withdrawn the only plausible reason for why he’s not
>> transparent here in Russia. So what’s the reason to be so secretive? There
>> is some problem with logic here. For instance, I would understand if he
>> says, “Look, I cannot comment on Russian surveillance, this is not my war.”
>> Instead, he asked his question about Russian surveillance. And he is not
>> transparent. I just don’t get it."
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