[CRNMC] Hack and Squirt

Sat Mar 28 08:42:56 PDT 2015

Dear Norman et al,

Many of us wanted to have "hack and squirt" as the prohibition in Measure "S" instead of fracking because of its real and present danger.

Most of the people working with Measure "S" wanted fracking.  I went along with it because the most important element in Measure "S" is the first step toward more local self governance with the community bill of rights it contained.

I thought at the time that the hack and squirt prohibition would bring big money from MRC into the campaign and the "jobs" issue and we did not have the $$$ to match that amount of opposition.

I am all for taking this issue on at this time, it could be part of a charter, but the timing is more urgent the timing of the charter.

Also there is much more public education on hack and squirt then a year ago and the fire districts are greatly helping in the educational and lobbying work needed to pass a measure.

What are your thoughts on how to go about prohibiting hack and squirt in our county ?

love

baile

On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Norman de Vall wrote:

> Baile,
> Let's test the home rule power we have
> by protecting our rural communities and
> prohibit MRC from increasing forest fire
> danger by the application of "hack and
> squirt" herbicides.  Neither UC Davis,
> Ag Extension, CDF or Mendocino 
> County are seeing this as a public danger.
> Norman
> 
> On Mar 27, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Baile Oakes wrote:
> 
>> Dear Robin,
>> 
>> Thank you very much for your well researched and grounded assessment.  
>> 
>> I agree, the path to a charter and public bank needs to involve a lot of education.
>> 
>> We presently have a very good tool to start the conversation regarding home rule rights:  Measure "S."
>> 
>> Continuing along the path of gaining support for the Bill of Rights in Measure "S" will go a long way along the path of educating our county government and other residents of our county about the sense and need for a charter and public bank.
>> 
>> I believe that any short cuts in this process will result in failure for both.
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Baile
>> 
>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Robin Sunbeam wrote:
>> 
>>> Here are my thoughts:
>>> 1. To Ellen Rosser.  I believe the current number of valid signatures required is 2050 due to the low voter turnout in the last gubernatorial election.  Someone looked up the fact and reported it to us, and this is the number I remember with my flawed old memory.  
>>> 
>>> 2. Jefferson County is very similar to Mendocino County in many ways.  They have an active Community Rights Movement, most of the social justice activists are gray hairs, they have a divide between liberal small urban areas and conservative rural areas, they have a lot of retirees, an active environmentalist movement, and are considering a resolution to ban corporate personhood rights.  The 2 biggest mistakes made by Jefferson County was not dialoguing with their opposition before putting it on the ballot, and having an almost entirely leftist slate of candidates.  And they went all around the county teaching people about the advantages of a charter county.  
>>> 
>>> I don’t want to make the same mistakes made by Jefferson County.  They were naive to think that there would be no opposition.  We need to have a meeting very soon to decide if we are going ahead with this effort, and list all the things we will need to organize and how many people in each region it is going to take to make it happen.  
>>> 
>>> 3. Jefferson County also did not have an issue to fight, i.e. fracking or , to get people passionate about to see the home rule charter as a solution.  Someone from Jeff.Cnty this morning said, “I feel like my county is in a siege.”  Me too!  But that is just a feeling.  Not everyone feels the same way.  They get passionate about gays, Blacks, Muslims, guns, government intrusion into their privacy.  What issue can we educate people about to scare the living b’jezez out of everyone that the home rule charge can provide a positive solution?  The TPP?  I know it scares me!  
>>> 
>>> 4. The MCPBC has already shown their old PowerPoint to the Democratic Central Committee, which agreed on the idea of a charter, but not our charter.  That’s what Ellen R. is referring to.  
>>> We have also presented before the Farm Bureau; many of the farmers on the board were swayed by our presentation, but the official word was mum.  Someone showed it to the Junto in Fort Bragg; I don’t remember if they endorsed it.  But we didn’t have an endorsement form at that time; we were just planting seeds.  Now we need to perfect our endorsement form or Resolution to get several powerful agencies/contingencies to adopt and sign them.  Since we have no formal written endorsement from anyone, are we moving too fast?  
>>> 
>>> Is it a mistake to put all us leftys on a single slate?  What if someone doesn’t like one of us, and has judged that one as a “waco?”  Then they will vote against the whole lot.  As Dan Gjerde said, to be democratic and representative of the whole county, we need people from all over the county to run for commissioner.  
>>> 
>>> But most of all, we need a reason for people to feel passionate about changing the status quo to an unknown future.  Otherwise they will vote no.  
>>> 
>>> In Peace, Robin
>>> P.S. I will go to my mother’s in Florida on 3/29 and will be back 4/7.  I will try to get online nightly and I will still be reachable by cell phone.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Baile Oakes <baileoakes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Great idea !
>>>> 
>>>> Time to go viral !
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 11:40 PM, Doug McKenty wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I will mention the idea to Carrie. Perhaps we should open it up to the CRNMC discussion list and get feedback from the rest of the group?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 10:50 PM, Baile Oakes <baileoakes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Doug,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The huge difference is that most people knew what fracking was and had a fixed position on it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fortunately for measure s the majority of our county were against fracking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Contrary, hardly anybody in our county knows about how county government is structured and has no opinion about it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A lot of education needs to be out there first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems like you are ready to go. Might be good to do a head count of the main people who organized and spearheaded measure s and see if they are ready to hit the pavement now...carrie might be a good place to start.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> all the best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> baile
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Doug McKenty wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We do have the time. We are running for a yes vote on the charter alone and do not need to have the charter completed until next year. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your experience with signature gathering must has been very different from mine. I found it to be the simplest, most direct way to engage the public at large. Organizing fundraisers and meetings is a lot of work and results in preaching to the choir. Hitting the streets is where the action is. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Tim Rice <tim at multitalents.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Doug McKenty wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What better way to educate the public that by having a team of people 
>>>>>>>>> hitting the streets to gather signatures?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are many better ways. I gathered signatures for S and cooridinated
>>>>>>>> the Willits signature gathering. Before going through that experience I
>>>>>>>> may have believed the above. Now, in my opinion gathering signatures is
>>>>>>>> way low on the education possibilities.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If we lose this year, we will just have to do it again. And keep 
>>>>>>>>> educating until a majority figure it out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A charter is much too important to take sortcuts.
>>>>>>>> It's time for some longer term thinking here. Personally I'm done
>>>>>>>> with the "we don't have time" line of thinking. Remember when people
>>>>>>>> say there isn't enough time, there always ends up being time to do
>>>>>>>> it over. Best to take the time to make sure what we do is still
>>>>>>>> worth having having 7 generations from now.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Tim Rice                Multitalents    (707) 456-1146
>>>>>>>> tim at multitalents.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
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>>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
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>> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
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> "charter" list, homepage : http://lists.crnmc.org/sympa/info/charter
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