[CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?

Caitlin Alexander caitlin29 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 12 12:02:07 PDT 2014 

With all due respect Tim, I suspect this ordinance will pass because of us
not in spite of us. We are, each of us in this group, independent and
strong-minded thinkers which will naturally bring conflict, this is
inevitable and OK. Our methods and processes are not being dictated by one
person or a small group, everyone has a say as they feel the need, which
may be less streamlined and efficient but is a testament to the fact that
we are working outside of the colonized method of top-down, hierarchical
systems and we are doing great!


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Tim Rice <tim at multitalents.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Shannon Biggs wrote:
>
> > Indeed that is the focus and a good reminder for all.
>
> Also a reminder that *how* we go about getting this ordinance passed is
> at least (if not more) important than getting it passed.
>
> If we adopt the "just get it done" approach common in our society, and
> use half truths and exaggerations to "sell" the ordinance, we will
> have just modeled and legitimized the very system we are trying
> to change. To me, having the ordinance pass going down that route, would
> be a huge failure.
>
> It's important to make sure our message can stand the scrutiny of those
> that may not like what we are doing. And more importantly, we as a group
> need to model what we claim to be about. The "who decides?" thing has
> been interesting to watch in our group. A fair amount of modeling our
> default culture. To be fair, when we got into this, we didn't know
> what we didn't know and we naively thought we were different and could
> get this done in the incredibly short amount of time we had for this
> election cycle.
>
> I strongly suspect this ordinance will pass in spite of us. There is
> huge energy behind the changes we're attempting to accomplish. The question
> is, will having the ordinance pass represent a minor temporary success
> or a huge lasting success. That will largely depend on how willing we are
> at looking at our colonized thinking.
>
> >
> >
> > On 6/12/14 8:34 AM, "Paul Lambert" <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for clarifications, Shannon. As someone who both supports CRNMC
> and is
> > > a member of the media, I have observed that focusing on the fracking
> issue
> > > (while a strong recruiting hook) is engendering  some hysteria - there
> are 15
> > > permits in Mendocino - that would be better directed towards the real
> aim of
> > > the initiative - establishing local control over the purity of water.
> >
> > If you
> > > keep your focus entirely on fracking, the deeper message of local
> control of
> > > resources might get lost and weaken your campaign in November by
> bringing in
> > > outside money from Western States Petroleum Association to oppose you.
> >
> > So, I
> > > urge all of you as a friend and supporter to focus on the less sexy
> topic of
> > > local citizen control over air and water.
> >
> > My two cents,
> >
> > Paul Lambert
> >
> > On Jun
> > > 11, 2014 11:51 AM, Shannon Biggs <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Re:
> > > [CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I think as a part
> > > of our online culture its important to be really aware of our
> language, and
> > > how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often terrible at
> delivering
> > > intent, and creates a defensive posture ­ which I know we have been
> struggling
> > > with as a group.
> > >
> > > So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this
> > > item, and then lets try to get to a solution needed.
> > >
> > > Paul, my
> > > understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are
> part of
> > > CRNMC  with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball
> rolling, so if
> > > you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I agree, we
> should
> > > have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The ³15
> permits² is a
> > > good fact to verify, but again  It was mentioned by someone else at
> the event
> > > who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the stat, but I did
> hear it
> > > from members of the team. If whoever did say it, could send that
> information
> > > forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do trust what you all say
> from the
> > > podium is based on your local knowledge, so I¹m guessing that its
> true, but we
> > > should nail it down.
> > >
> > > My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices
> > > taking the issue that you are concerned with ­ i.e. Fracking in your
> county.
> > >  I do believe you should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and
> > > And it
> > > would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as
> ³our² job.
> > >  I brought a fracking expert ­ David ­ to speak to fracking generally
> and in
> > > CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking - Please do
> remember I
> > > work with a  dozen communities at a time, and cannot be an expert on
> the
> > > particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig up (see
> below).
> > >   My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue to the
> > > rights-based framework.  If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m
> > > absolutely the right person for that job.
> > >
> > > Best, Shannon
> > >
> > > Some
> > > resources:
> > > http://theava.com/archives/29538
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php
> > > And while it can
> > > be shown that there is no active production of conventional resources
> in
> > > Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are
> confidential. Thus
> > > the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant drilling and
> multiple wells
> > > per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in Mendocino County at some
> point
> > > in the future cannot be entirely ruled out. Technically feasible and
> > > economically viable approaches may be discovered by the oil and gas
> industry
> > > to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the Franciscan
> formations, and
> > > interest in production could shift from the mature oil-rich resource
> areas in
> > > southern California to the un-associated gas-yielding formations in the
> > > northern parts of the State.
> > >
> > >  It also cannot be ignored, that the wells
> > > in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties are owned by the same Big Oil
> Corporate
> > > Petroleum Companies that own the lease-held agreements to production
> on tracts
> > > of lands in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.
> > >  Bakersfield is more like a Corporate Park in the State of Kern and
> most of
> > > the north coast county wells are owned by Corporations with 2
> addresses, one
> > > in Houston, and one in Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and
> throughout the
> > > Kern Oil Fields may change hands for flexible market viability and
> company
> > > survivability, but those same companies selling leased acres even in
> other
> > > Shale plays in other States, (to reduce debt load from expansion),
> have held
> > > onto ownerships in Northern California, and are expanding the
> lease-acres.
> > > Chevron, Vintage (OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in
> Humboldt,
> > > Mendocino, and Sonoma Counties.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> > > <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and
> > > crn members if you nailed it down.
> > >>
> > >> Leaving it to me or other journalists
> > > opens you to charges of misrepresentation and trying to build up
> hysteria.
> > >  Since you said it, you need to confirm it or deny it.
> > >>
> > >> Not my job.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs
> > > <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> HI there,
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes David is a
> > > founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working with the
> > > coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange and
> 50 other
> > > organizations are members.
> > >>>
> > >>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but
> > > I did hear that at one of the meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure
> who.
> > > There are some articles out there if you google search, and some folks
> > > mentioned some specific articles. Be good for you all to nail down the
> facts
> > > and your talking points on that, as we get our information from you
> all on
> > > local matters.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can
> > > ask him.
> > >>>
> > >>> Shannon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> > > <paul52jazz at gmail.com <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I
> > > believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to
> be a
> > > founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search
> of their
> > > site shows no reference to him anywhere.....
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > > Paul
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser
> > > <edoberweiser at gmail.com <http://edoberweiser@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I
> > > agree,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim
> > > this unless we have substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is
> claiming
> > > this. If there are approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that
> > > information from the county?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ed Oberweiser
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On
> > > Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <paul52jazz at gmail.com
> > > <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Several time I have heard
> > > Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are 15 (?) already
> approved
> > > permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when I have asked her and
> others,
> > > the only reference I could get is to a small colored state or fed map
> that
> > > shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the mid-state area but whose
> tip
> > > seems to end in Mendocino.  There is no attribution for the map, nor
> are there
> > > any details as to who issued the permits, where they are located, who
> holds
> > > them and what their plans are.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Can someone help because this is
> > > a potentially damaging assertion which could undermine your
> credibility if it
> > > is not substantiated.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Paul
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> >
> >
> >
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