[CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?

Thu Jun 12 09:47:23 PDT 2014

*When Mike Dean and i went to the "regulatory" commission (DOGGR) meeting
on fracking in Sac'to (close to 2 years ago), the people organizing the
protest and comments to the commission, said that the industry had many
permits and some functioning that are unreported...even to the commission.
I think the group was Californians Against Fracking, but i am not sure.
Basically, since the industry has such leeway, it may or may not report
things.* The only thing i have to add...it was not CAF.  It was Clean Water
Action.  I guess you could contact them. Beth B

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Shannon Biggs <shannon at globalexchange.org>
wrote:

> Indeed that is the focus and a good reminder for all.
>
>
> On 6/12/14 8:34 AM, "Paul Lambert" <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for clarifications, Shannon. As someone who both supports CRNMC
> and is
> > a member of the media, I have observed that focusing on the fracking
> issue
> > (while a strong recruiting hook) is engendering  some hysteria - there
> are 15
> > permits in Mendocino - that would be better directed towards the real
> aim of
> > the initiative - establishing local control over the purity of water.
>
> If you
> > keep your focus entirely on fracking, the deeper message of local
> control of
> > resources might get lost and weaken your campaign in November by
> bringing in
> > outside money from Western States Petroleum Association to oppose you.
>
> So, I
> > urge all of you as a friend and supporter to focus on the less sexy
> topic of
> > local citizen control over air and water.
>
> My two cents,
>
> Paul Lambert
>
> On Jun
> > 11, 2014 11:51 AM, Shannon Biggs <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
> >
> > Re:
> > [CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think as a part
> > of our online culture its important to be really aware of our language,
> and
> > how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often terrible at
> delivering
> > intent, and creates a defensive posture  which I know we have been
> struggling
> > with as a group.
> >
> > So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this
> > item, and then lets try to get to a solution needed.
> >
> > Paul, my
> > understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are part
> of
> > CRNMC  with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball rolling,
> so if
> > you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I agree, we
> should
> > have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The ³15 permits²
> is a
> > good fact to verify, but again  It was mentioned by someone else at the
> event
> > who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the stat, but I did hear
> it
> > from members of the team. If whoever did say it, could send that
> information
> > forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do trust what you all say from
> the
> > podium is based on your local knowledge, so I¹m guessing that its true,
> but we
> > should nail it down.
> >
> > My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices
> > taking the issue that you are concerned with  i.e. Fracking in your
> county.
> >  I do believe you should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and
> > And it
> > would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as ³our²
> job.
> >  I brought a fracking expert  David  to speak to fracking generally
> and in
> > CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking - Please do
> remember I
> > work with a  dozen communities at a time, and cannot be an expert on the
> > particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig up (see
> below).
> >   My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue to the
> > rights-based framework.  If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m
> > absolutely the right person for that job.
> >
> > Best, Shannon
> >
> > Some
> > resources:
> > http://theava.com/archives/29538
> >
> >
> > https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php
> > And while it can
> > be shown that there is no active production of conventional resources in
> > Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are
> confidential. Thus
> > the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant drilling and multiple
> wells
> > per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in Mendocino County at some
> point
> > in the future cannot be entirely ruled out. Technically feasible and
> > economically viable approaches may be discovered by the oil and gas
> industry
> > to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the Franciscan
> formations, and
> > interest in production could shift from the mature oil-rich resource
> areas in
> > southern California to the un-associated gas-yielding formations in the
> > northern parts of the State.
> >
> >  It also cannot be ignored, that the wells
> > in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties are owned by the same Big Oil
> Corporate
> > Petroleum Companies that own the lease-held agreements to production on
> tracts
> > of lands in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.
> >  Bakersfield is more like a Corporate Park in the State of Kern and most
> of
> > the north coast county wells are owned by Corporations with 2 addresses,
> one
> > in Houston, and one in Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and
> throughout the
> > Kern Oil Fields may change hands for flexible market viability and
> company
> > survivability, but those same companies selling leased acres even in
> other
> > Shale plays in other States, (to reduce debt load from expansion), have
> held
> > onto ownerships in Northern California, and are expanding the
> lease-acres.
> > Chevron, Vintage (OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in Humboldt,
> > Mendocino, and Sonoma Counties.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> > <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and
> > crn members if you nailed it down.
> >>
> >> Leaving it to me or other journalists
> > opens you to charges of misrepresentation and trying to build up
> hysteria.
> >  Since you said it, you need to confirm it or deny it.
> >>
> >> Not my job.
> >>
> >>
> > Paul
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs
> > <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> HI there,
> >>>
> >>> Yes David is a
> > founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working with the
> > coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange and 50
> other
> > organizations are members.
> >>>
> >>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but
> > I did hear that at one of the meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure
> who.
> > There are some articles out there if you google search, and some folks
> > mentioned some specific articles. Be good for you all to nail down the
> facts
> > and your talking points on that, as we get our information from you all
> on
> > local matters.
> >>>
> >>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can
> > ask him.
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> > <paul52jazz at gmail.com <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I
> > believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to be a
> > founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search of
> their
> > site shows no reference to him anywhere.....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser
> > <edoberweiser at gmail.com <http://edoberweiser@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I
> > agree,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim
> > this unless we have substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is
> claiming
> > this. If there are approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that
> > information from the county?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ed Oberweiser
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On
> > Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <paul52jazz at gmail.com
> > <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Several time I have heard
> > Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are 15 (?) already approved
> > permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when I have asked her and
> others,
> > the only reference I could get is to a small colored state or fed map
> that
> > shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the mid-state area but whose tip
> > seems to end in Mendocino.  There is no attribution for the map, nor are
> there
> > any details as to who issued the permits, where they are located, who
> holds
> > them and what their plans are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can someone help because this is
> > a potentially damaging assertion which could undermine your credibility
> if it
> > is not substantiated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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