[CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?

[Shannon Biggs]

Indeed that is the focus and a good reminder for all.


On 6/12/14 8:34 AM, "Paul Lambert" <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifications, Shannon. As someone who both supports CRNMC and is
> a member of the media, I have observed that focusing on the fracking issue
> (while a strong recruiting hook) is engendering  some hysteria - there are 15
> permits in Mendocino - that would be better directed towards the real aim of
> the initiative - establishing local control over the purity of water.

If you
> keep your focus entirely on fracking, the deeper message of local control of
> resources might get lost and weaken your campaign in November by bringing in
> outside money from Western States Petroleum Association to oppose you.

So, I
> urge all of you as a friend and supporter to focus on the less sexy topic of
> local citizen control over air and water.

My two cents,

Paul Lambert

On Jun
> 11, 2014 11:51 AM, Shannon Biggs <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
>
> Re:
> [CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?
> Hi all, 
>
> I think as a part
> of our online culture its important to be really aware of our language, and
> how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often terrible at delivering
> intent, and creates a defensive posture ­ which I know we have been struggling
> with as a group.  
>
> So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this
> item, and then lets try to get to a solution needed. 
>
> Paul, my
> understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are part of
> CRNMC  with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball rolling, so if
> you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I agree, we should
> have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The ³15 permits² is a
> good fact to verify, but again  It was mentioned by someone else at the event
> who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the stat, but I did hear it
> from members of the team. If whoever did say it, could send that information
> forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do trust what you all say from the
> podium is based on your local knowledge, so I¹m guessing that its true, but we
> should nail it down. 
>
> My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices
> taking the issue that you are concerned with ­ i.e. Fracking in your county.
>  I do believe you should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and 
> And it
> would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as ³our² job.
>  I brought a fracking expert ­ David ­ to speak to fracking generally and in
> CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking - Please do remember I
> work with a  dozen communities at a time, and cannot be an expert on the
> particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig up (see below).
>   My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue to the
> rights-based framework.  If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m
> absolutely the right person for that job. 
>
> Best, Shannon 
>
> Some
> resources: 
> http://theava.com/archives/29538
>
>
> https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php
> And while it can
> be shown that there is no active production of conventional resources in
> Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are confidential. Thus
> the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant drilling and multiple wells
> per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in Mendocino County at some point
> in the future cannot be entirely ruled out. Technically feasible and
> economically viable approaches may be discovered by the oil and gas industry
> to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the Franciscan formations, and
> interest in production could shift from the mature oil-rich resource areas in
> southern California to the un-associated gas-yielding formations in the
> northern parts of the State.  
>
>  It also cannot be ignored, that the wells
> in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties are owned by the same Big Oil Corporate
> Petroleum Companies that own the lease-held agreements to production on tracts
> of lands in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.
>  Bakersfield is more like a Corporate Park in the State of Kern and most of
> the north coast county wells are owned by Corporations with 2 addresses, one
> in Houston, and one in Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and throughout the
> Kern Oil Fields may change hands for flexible market viability and company
> survivability, but those same companies selling leased acres even in other
> Shale plays in other States, (to reduce debt load from expansion), have held
> onto ownerships in Northern California, and are expanding the lease-acres.
> Chevron, Vintage (OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in Humboldt,
> Mendocino, and Sonoma Counties. 
>
>
>
>
> On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and
> crn members if you nailed it down.
>>
>> Leaving it to me or other journalists
> opens you to charges of misrepresentation and trying to build up hysteria.
>  Since you said it, you need to confirm it or deny it.
>>
>> Not my job.
>>
>>
> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs
> <shannon at globalexchange.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI there, 
>>>
>>> Yes David is a
> founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working with the
> coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange and 50 other
> organizations are members. 
>>>
>>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but
> I did hear that at one of the meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure who.
> There are some articles out there if you google search, and some folks
> mentioned some specific articles. Be good for you all to nail down the facts
> and your talking points on that, as we get our information from you all on
> local matters. 
>>>
>>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can
> ask him. 
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert"
> <paul52jazz at gmail.com <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I
> believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to be a
> founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search of their
> site shows no reference to him anywhere.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser
> <edoberweiser at gmail.com <http://edoberweiser@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I
> agree,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim
> this unless we have substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is claiming
> this. If there are approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that
> information from the county?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed Oberweiser
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On
> Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <paul52jazz at gmail.com
> <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several time I have heard
> Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are 15 (?) already approved
> permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when I have asked her and others,
> the only reference I could get is to a small colored state or fed map that
> shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the mid-state area but whose tip
> seems to end in Mendocino.  There is no attribution for the map, nor are there
> any details as to who issued the permits, where they are located, who holds
> them and what their plans are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone help because this is
> a potentially damaging assertion which could undermine your credibility if it
> is not substantiated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
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