[CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?

Wed Jun 11 11:51:45 PDT 2014

Hi all, 

I think as a part of our online culture its important to be really aware of
our language, and how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often
terrible at delivering intent, and creates a defensive posture  which I
know we have been struggling with as a group.

So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this item, and then lets
try to get to a solution needed.

Paul, my understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are
part of CRNMC  with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball
rolling, so if you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I
agree, we should have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The
³15 permits² is a good fact to verify, but again  It was mentioned by
someone else at the event who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the
stat, but I did hear it from members of the team. If whoever did say it,
could send that information forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do
trust what you all say from the podium is based on your local knowledge, so
I¹m guessing that its true, but we should nail it down.

My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices taking the issue that
you are concerned with  i.e. Fracking in your county.  I do believe you
should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and
And it would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as
³our² job.  I brought a fracking expert  David  to speak to fracking
generally and in CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking -
Please do remember I work with a  dozen communities at a time, and cannot be
an expert on the particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig
up (see below).   My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue
to the rights-based framework.  If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m
absolutely the right person for that job.

Best, Shannon 

Some resources: 
http://theava.com/archives/29538

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php
And while it can be shown that there is no active production of conventional
resources in Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are
confidential. Thus the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant
drilling and multiple wells per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in
Mendocino County at some point in the future cannot be entirely ruled out.
Technically feasible and economically viable approaches may be discovered by
the oil and gas industry to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the
Franciscan formations, and interest in production could shift from the
mature oil-rich resource areas in southern California to the un-associated
gas-yielding formations in the northern parts of the State.

 It also cannot be ignored, that the wells in Mendocino and Humboldt
Counties are owned by the same Big Oil Corporate Petroleum Companies that
own the lease-held agreements to production on tracts of lands in the States
of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.  Bakersfield is more like a
Corporate Park in the State of Kern and most of the north coast county wells
are owned by Corporations with 2 addresses, one in Houston, and one in
Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and throughout the Kern Oil Fields may
change hands for flexible market viability and company survivability, but
those same companies selling leased acres even in other Shale plays in other
States, (to reduce debt load from expansion), have held onto ownerships in
Northern California, and are expanding the lease-acres. Chevron, Vintage
(OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in Humboldt, Mendocino, and
Sonoma Counties. 

On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert" <paul52jazz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and crn members if you nailed it down.
> 
> Leaving it to me or other journalists opens you to charges of
> misrepresentation and trying to build up hysteria.  Since you said it, you
> need to confirm it or deny it.
> 
> Not my job.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs <shannon at globalexchange.org>
> wrote:
>> HI there, 
>> 
>> Yes David is a founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working
>> with the coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange
>> and 50 other organizations are members.
>> 
>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but I did hear that at one of the
>> meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure who. There are some articles out
>> there if you google search, and some folks mentioned some specific articles.
>> Be good for you all to nail down the facts and your talking points on that,
>> as we get our information from you all on local matters.
>> 
>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can ask him.
>> 
>> Shannon
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert" <paul52jazz at gmail.com
>> <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to be a
>>> founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search of
>>> their site shows no reference to him anywhere.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser <edoberweiser at gmail.com
>>> <http://edoberweiser@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> I agree,
>>>> 
>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim this unless we have
>>>> substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is claiming this. If there are
>>>> approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that information from the
>>>> county?
>>>> 
>>>> Ed Oberweiser
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <paul52jazz at gmail.com
>>>> <http://paul52jazz@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>> Several time I have heard Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are
>>>>> 15 (?) already approved permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when
>>>>> I have asked her and others, the only reference I could get is to a small
>>>>> colored state or fed map that shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the
>>>>> mid-state area but whose tip seems to end in Mendocino.  There is no
>>>>> attribution for the map, nor are there any details as to who issued the
>>>>> permits, where they are located, who holds them and what their plans are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone help because this is a potentially damaging assertion which
>>>>> could undermine your credibility if it is not substantiated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>> 
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