[CRNMC] Fwd: what's our next best move

Meg Courtney mcourtney1 at mcn.org
Sun Dec 21 14:31:32 PST 2014 

Folks,
From my understanding this is a violation of the Brown Act - no matter who or what committee speaks privately w/ 2 members of the BOS and then meets with 2 more BOS members. This is called a "serial meeting" or "daisy chain" to "develop a collective "concurrence".  Not good. Ask Dan. He knows all about this.
Meg


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> On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:27 PM, agnes at mcn.org wrote:
> 
> Lanny,
> You have used the royal "we" when you mean I.
> I have established a good relationship with Dan hamburg and respect his
> advice. I have already contacted him twice re measure S and you can read
> them on the listserve. Your comment below is undemocratic.
> 
> Agnes
> 
> 
>> What we DON'T want is random people speaking for Measure S, talking to
>> supervisors or interpreting the Constitution on their own, or deciding the
>> best course of action to take at this time.
>> 
>> Isn't this a good job to give to a special committee of proponents?
>> 
>> How to create a committee like this democratically? I suggest we put
>> together a list of interested people. Then the entire group (we should
>> know who constitutes this larger group) votes for six, or seven, or
>> however many we want on that committee. Call it the Enactment Committee.
>> That committee keeps a record of its activity and shares it with the
>> "larger group" in a timely fashion.
>> 
>> Sound reasonable?
>> 
>> Lanny
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:11 PM, agnes at mcn.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> As Dan Hamburg said we need to meet with supervisors, two at a time in a
>>> home, and tell them we want them to urge the County Cousel to codify
>>> Measure "S" in its entirety.Ask them if they will vote on such an
>>> agendized item to that effect. Then meet privately with 2 more
>>> supervisors
>>> telling them the same.If we have 3 solid yeahs then it should become an
>>> agenda item to be voted on by the whole board.
>>> That's my experience,you can check with Dan Hamburg or your supervisor.
>>> 
>>> Agnes
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From Ben Price. I will be hard to reach between now and the 27th,
>>>> around
>>>> yes, but busy and slow to respond. happy holidays.
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Ben Price <benprice at celdf.org>
>>>>> Date: December 21, 2014, 10:16:27 AM PST
>>>>> To: Shannon Biggs <shannon at movementrights.org>
>>>>> Cc: Elaine and Ed <elained at mcn.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: what's our next best move
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would have the community group get busy pushing back publicly: if
>>>>> the
>>>>> county thinks it can pocket-veto the vote of 60% of the people, the
>>>>> people can veto the supervisors through the ballot box, and can
>>>>> enforce
>>>>> the ordinance as per its language. The formality of placing the duly
>>>>> enacted laws of the county into the code is not discretionary, and if
>>>>> the county supervisors think they can disrespect the democratic rights
>>>>> of the people by not doing their jobs, they can be replaced. The
>>>>> supervisors can not choose which laws to obey as a way of claiming
>>>>> that
>>>>> the people's law is not authorized.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not certain what recall options there may or may not be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Shannon Biggs
>>>>> <shannon at movementrights.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will respond to this in more detail, but your ordinance I believe
>>>>>> (most of ours do) allows for citizen enforcement which means you as a
>>>>>> group can force the county to enforce the law.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Elaine and Ed <elained at mcn.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My education in the corruption of US and local governments
>>>>>>> continues.
>>>>>>> I received this disturbing news from Baile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have all helped to manifest Measure "S".  At the same time, it
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> no real teeth of enforcement until such time as it is written into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> enforcement codes of Mendocino County.  This process takes place
>>>>>>> through the office of the county counsel.  The county counsel can
>>>>>>> choose to refrain from writing into the codes of law in the county
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> part of Measure "S" that the county counsel deems to be unlawful.
>>>>>>> Since the State of California presently does not ban fracking and
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> passed legislation clearly stating that the right to frack is solely
>>>>>>> determined by the State, than the county counsel could make the
>>>>>>> decision that no part of Measure "S" can legally be written into the
>>>>>>> county enforcement codes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Norman has urged us to get busy contacting and lobbying our
>>>>>>> respective
>>>>>>> Supervisors in order to educate them and persuade them to direct the
>>>>>>> county counsel to "codify" all parts of Measure "S."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What options do we have to make sure the will of the people is
>>>>>>> carried
>>>>>>> out by the county supervisors now? I know from my limited experience
>>>>>>> here that it will be extremely hard "  to get busy contacting and
>>>>>>> lobbying our respective Supervisors in order to educate them and
>>>>>>> persuade them to direct the county counsel to "codify" all parts of
>>>>>>> Measure "S." What other options, if any are open to us at this point
>>>>>>> in time?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give us
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ed Oberweiser
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