[CRNMC] Fwd: what's our next best move

[agnes at mcn.org]

Lanny,
You have used the royal "we" when you mean I.
I have established a good relationship with Dan hamburg and respect his
advice. I have already contacted him twice re measure S and you can read
them on the listserve. Your comment below is undemocratic.

Agnes


> What we DON'T want is random people speaking for Measure S, talking to
> supervisors or interpreting the Constitution on their own, or deciding the
> best course of action to take at this time.
>
> Isn't this a good job to give to a special committee of proponents?
>
> How to create a committee like this democratically? I suggest we put
> together a list of interested people. Then the entire group (we should
> know who constitutes this larger group) votes for six, or seven, or
> however many we want on that committee. Call it the Enactment Committee.
> That committee keeps a record of its activity and shares it with the
> "larger group" in a timely fashion.
>
> Sound reasonable?
>
> Lanny
>
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:11 PM, agnes at mcn.org wrote:
>
>> As Dan Hamburg said we need to meet with supervisors, two at a time in a
>> home, and tell them we want them to urge the County Cousel to codify
>> Measure "S" in its entirety.Ask them if they will vote on such an
>> agendized item to that effect. Then meet privately with 2 more
>> supervisors
>> telling them the same.If we have 3 solid yeahs then it should become an
>> agenda item to be voted on by the whole board.
>> That's my experience,you can check with Dan Hamburg or your supervisor.
>>
>> Agnes
>>
>>
>>> From Ben Price. I will be hard to reach between now and the 27th,
>>> around
>>> yes, but busy and slow to respond. happy holidays.
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Ben Price <benprice at celdf.org>
>>>> Date: December 21, 2014, 10:16:27 AM PST
>>>> To: Shannon Biggs <shannon at movementrights.org>
>>>> Cc: Elaine and Ed <elained at mcn.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: what's our next best move
>>>>
>>>> I would have the community group get busy pushing back publicly: if
>>>> the
>>>> county thinks it can pocket-veto the vote of 60% of the people, the
>>>> people can veto the supervisors through the ballot box, and can
>>>> enforce
>>>> the ordinance as per its language. The formality of placing the duly
>>>> enacted laws of the county into the code is not discretionary, and if
>>>> the county supervisors think they can disrespect the democratic rights
>>>> of the people by not doing their jobs, they can be replaced. The
>>>> supervisors can not choose which laws to obey as a way of claiming
>>>> that
>>>> the people's law is not authorized.
>>>>
>>>> Not certain what recall options there may or may not be.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Shannon Biggs
>>>> <shannon at movementrights.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will respond to this in more detail, but your ordinance I believe
>>>>> (most of ours do) allows for citizen enforcement which means you as a
>>>>> group can force the county to enforce the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Elaine and Ed <elained at mcn.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My education in the corruption of US and local governments
>>>>>> continues.
>>>>>> I received this disturbing news from Baile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have all helped to manifest Measure "S".  At the same time, it
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> no real teeth of enforcement until such time as it is written into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> enforcement codes of Mendocino County.  This process takes place
>>>>>> through the office of the county counsel.  The county counsel can
>>>>>> choose to refrain from writing into the codes of law in the county
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> part of Measure "S" that the county counsel deems to be unlawful.
>>>>>> Since the State of California presently does not ban fracking and
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> passed legislation clearly stating that the right to frack is solely
>>>>>> determined by the State, than the county counsel could make the
>>>>>> decision that no part of Measure "S" can legally be written into the
>>>>>> county enforcement codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman has urged us to get busy contacting and lobbying our
>>>>>> respective
>>>>>> Supervisors in order to educate them and persuade them to direct the
>>>>>> county counsel to "codify" all parts of Measure "S."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What options do we have to make sure the will of the people is
>>>>>> carried
>>>>>> out by the county supervisors now? I know from my limited experience
>>>>>> here that it will be extremely hard "  to get busy contacting and
>>>>>> lobbying our respective Supervisors in order to educate them and
>>>>>> persuade them to direct the county counsel to "codify" all parts of
>>>>>> Measure "S." What other options, if any are open to us at this point
>>>>>> in time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Oberweiser
>>>>
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