[CRNMC] IMPORTANT! change sec.4 (a) of Ordinance?

Fri Apr 25 08:39:15 PDT 2014

*Thanks to Karina for your diplomacy and success with the County! It's nice
to have them open minded.  *Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.  Beth B
 PS.  Remember the county jail is for misdemeanors.  State prison is for
felonies.  [?]

On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Caitlin Alexander <caitlin29 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Katrina at the County Clerk office has told Karina that our signature
> deadline may be extended into mid-July, possibly even into early August.
> Once the June election is over County staff will have time available to put
> our ordinance on the ballot - this is, I understand, real issue for them,
> having the time to create the ballot. So we may have plenty of time even if
> Counsel takes the full 15 days (this would give us more time to get
> organized with outreach too).
>
> -Caitlin
>
> P.S. Hi Kelly!  :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Kelly Larson <solarkelly at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am also a *no* on changing this unless the county council WILL quickly
>> turn it around.  Has he been asked?
>>
>> We need to remember that this is not a fracking bill.  I suspect both
>> Norman and Barry are focused on that part, and not the Community Rights
>> part.  We plan to pass other community rights ordinances. * I feel it is
>> more important to have the time to get overwhelming support from the
>> people.*  This is what we want to show, more than anything, I think.
>>
>> I am so appreciative for all the loving care being taken with this.
>> Thank you for your work!
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:45 PM, karinajoy <karinacotler at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Want you to know, even if we change sec.4, it may add only a few days to
>>> our process (they have 15 days, but I may be able to speed that up, since
>>> the title and summary will not change).  Everything else is ready to move
>>> forward, with the minor change to the ordinance language - the newspaper
>>> publication is ready; the petition is ready; the Letter of Intent won't
>>> change. We're ready to open the bank account and file form 410.
>>>
>>> The sooner we come to an agreement, the sooner we can start the clock
>>> again. I am prepared to drive to the county today and resubmit the
>>> Ordinance.
>>>
>>> So far out of 15 responses, 11 have been to go ahead and change sec 4a.
>>> The other 4 did not say no.  Opinion on 4b is 50-50.
>>>
>>> Anyone´else have a strong opinion?
>>> K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:52 PM, karinajoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Sisters and Brothers,
>>>
>>> A small but crucially significant problem regarding our Ordinance has
>>> arisen. It can be solved if we act now. It will cause some delay, but it is
>>> better we fix the problem now than ignore it and regret it later.
>>>
>>> It has to do with the ENFORCEMENT of the Ordinance. In other words, we
>>> need to give our Ordinance the proper teeth with which a judge MUST (not
>>> just MAY) enforce the Ordinance and thus dissuade those who would break the
>>> law.
>>>
>>> Barry Vogel pointed this problem out before, but then Norman de Vall
>>> raised the concern again. And Charles Wood responded with “I don't
>>> think that simple use of the word "offense" makes it unenforceable, it just *gives
>>> the judge too much latitude* to set the fine at whatever level he or
>>> she pleases.* It could be $1/day. *The jury decides the facts (guilty
>>> or not-guilty), Judges interpret the law (amount for the fine).*"*
>>>  They all agree, we need to be more specific and strong in the
>>> enforcement clause.
>>>
>>> So this is Barry's suggestion, as best I recall :
>>> Sec. 4(a).
>>>
>>> Any corporation, government or natural person that violates any
>>> prohibition of this Ordinance shall be guilty of a most serious
>>> misdemeanor offense  and, upon conviction thereof, shall be sentenced
>>> to go to prison for one year and shall pay a fine of $10,000 for each
>>> violation. Each time the pump is turned on, and each stroke of the pump
>>> down and up shall be a separate violation, and violation of each section of
>>> this Ordinance shall count as a separate violation. Courts shall grant no
>>> probation.
>>>
>>> Is there any strong opposition to this change in sec.4(a)? The lawyers
>>> at CELDF (or you) may fiddle with the language or the fine, but we need
>>> agreement by tomorrow, so we can re-submit asap.
>>>
>>> On a second issue:
>>> Sec. 4 (b) shall we strike out "or any resident of the County* " and
>>> later "or the resident..." ?????*
>>> *Bus and Prof Code 17200 recently took away the citizen's right to take
>>> enforcement action.  Ben felt we should claim this right anyway, since it's
>>> just another slow erosion of our rights. But Barry thinks we shouldn't risk
>>> the ordinance over this.  So, should we leave it in or take it out?*
>>>
>>> There will be a cost. We'll have to pay the $200 fee again (which is
>>> refunded when we qualify for the ballot). But we'll forfeit the first $200.
>>> And there will be some delay. But since I doubt it will change the title or
>>> summary, it could be a fast turnaround.
>>>
>>> Let's do this right. A little additional cost, a little delay. The hurry
>>> isn't as great as the need to get it right and have a strong ordinance.
>>>
>>> So shall we make the change to 4a?  and keep or delete citizen
>>> enforcement in 4b?
>>>
>>> Karina
>>>
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