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    I wholeheartedly agree Ann - The missing component is belief in
    positive outcomes - the world is full of poetential provided we
    don't wring it's neck to keep it in "control".<br>
    We have an opportunity to construct a mandate for community with the
    station - my chief concern is timing to allow this newness to help
    invoke the coming community changes; but I needn't get possessive. 
    ~BC    <br>
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      On 10/16/2014 12:07 PM, ann brown wrote:<br>
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      Just wanting to acknowledge that the ranter’s a...’s are
      predictable, gross, disappointing and beside the point…
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      <div>The point being to…collectively…evolve the station...in the
        present…(not the past, nor an idealistic  dream of a future)…but
        now...with all hands on deck…in current circumstances…with good
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      <div>I believe this a call and response situation.  The mother hen
        pecks, pecks, pecks on her youngin’s shell.   The emerging life
        responds with its own peck, peck, peck.  Little by little they
        break through the shell.</div>
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      <div>All other attempts to produce something alive are really an
        act of violence.</div>
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      <div>Just saying…</div>
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      <div>Ann</div>
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            <div>On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Liz Helenchild &lt;<a
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                  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413477725781_37604">Agreed,
                    Diane. Tim, your meanspeak demeans you. Please
                    practice Delete &amp; let the ranters show their own
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                          size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
                              style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                          Diane Paget &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:dpaget@mcn.org">dpaget@mcn.org</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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                            href="mailto:tbray@wildblue.net">tbray@wildblue.net</a>;
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                            href="mailto:kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org">kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</a>
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                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                          Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:00 AM<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [Kzyxtalk] John…….<br>
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                        Tim,<br clear="none">
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                        You are being a bit black and white. There have
                        been discussions and <br clear="none">
                        ideas on the list worth reading . Just recently
                        one about taking an <br clear="none">
                        informal survey of KZYX listeners. I agree with
                        you about the self <br clear="none">
                        absorded rants -- but it is easy enough to
                        delete them without reading <br clear="none">
                        them if you don't want to.<br clear="none">
                        <br clear="none">
                        Diane<br clear="none">
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                        Tim Bray wrote:<br clear="none">
                        &gt; If it showed any signs of moving toward
                        those goals you articulated, I <br clear="none">
                        &gt; would. <br clear="none">
                        &gt; I'm not interested in reading endless rants
                        by people who feel <br clear="none">
                        &gt; personally wronged.<br clear="none">
                        &gt; John Sacowicz is the new Sister Yasmin,
                        utterly self-absorbed and <br clear="none">
                        &gt; endlessly demanding attention.  Who wants
                        to listen to spoiled <br clear="none">
                        &gt; children scream all the time?<br
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                        &gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt; Tim<br clear="none">
                        &gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt; On 10/15/2014 9:43 PM, Norman de Vall
                        wrote:<br clear="none">
                        &gt;&gt; I hope you've returned to KZYXtalk.<br
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                        &gt;&gt; Norman<br clear="none">
                        &gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt;&gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt;&gt;
                        _______________________________________________<br
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                        &gt;&gt; Kzyxtalk mailing list<br clear="none">
                        &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                          ymailto="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org"
                          href="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org">Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</a><br
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                        &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk" target="_blank">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/listinfo/kzyxtalk</a><br
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                        &gt;&gt;    <br clear="none">
                        &gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt;<br clear="none">
                        &gt; -- <br clear="none">
                        &gt; Ecology Hour &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          href="https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/"
                          target="_blank">https://ecologyhour.wordpress.com/</a>&gt;<br
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                        &gt; Oak &amp; Thorn &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true" shape="rect"
                          href="http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com/"
                          target="_blank">http://oakandthorn.wordpress.com</a>&gt;<br
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                        &gt; Facebook: Oak and Thorn
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                          &gt;
                          _______________________________________________<br
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                          &gt; Kzyxtalk mailing list<br clear="none">
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                            ymailto="mailto:Kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org"
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                          &gt;  <br clear="none">
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                          Kzyxtalk mailing list<br clear="none">
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