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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is not about censorship.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Norman De Vall stated the following about the
launch of this list:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>On February 7th KZYXtalk went "on
air" with the following post: "Acknowledging that at least some people
have something to say about our public radio station, KZYX, and being a
proponent of the minority voice and free speech I've launched a new mcn.org
list site: <a href="mailto:kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org">kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</a>.
There is now a new way to express y(our) views and hopefully it
will be followed by Board members, staff and candidates. Please join the
discussion.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>bb’s comments were not about KZYX.
They were character assassination about people who work to support KZYX. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s unfortunate that some can call
for civility on one day and cry “censorship” the next. Regardless
of one’s position on the status of KZYX, the level of discourse should be
civil. I didn’t object to bb having an opinion and expressing that
opinion. I objected to her complete lack of civility or grasp of facts:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>“Steffen is a pig. Coate is paranoid. Mary is an alcoholic.
The president of the KZYX Board of Directors lives off of monies made
manufacturing gadgets for nuclear reactor plants.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My point, again: raise an articulate,
cogent, and most importantly civil argument. Name calling is not part of that
mix. Asking someone who doesn’t know me to refrain from calling me “a
pig” is not censorship. Asking someone to refrain from using clinical
terms when they don’t know what they’re talking about (“paranoid”)
is not censorship. Asking someone to not casually cast around labels like “alcoholic”
is not censorship. And asking someone to cease publicly “stating”
how someone makes a living when they don’t know is not censorship. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And none of this has a place in a
discussion of KZYX programming.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I suggested bb be removed from the list
for what amounts to verbal abuse. Nothing more. If she can ever string together
a civil argument it may be worth hearing. Until then, no one should be
suggested to her personal attacks. That is not too much to ask, and it is not,
as SDT suggests, a matter of too much heat in the kitchen. It’s a matter
of civil discourse. Period.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
kzyxtalk-bounces@lists.mcn.org [mailto:kzyxtalk-bounces@lists.mcn.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>she-la<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:08
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">kzyxtalk@lists.mcn.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b>
parentsforpeace@yahoogroups.com; discussion@lists.mcn.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Kzyxtalk] Steffen
vs. Bosk - how resolve?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I say if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't
believe in censorship by any group of any person for expressing an opinion.<br>
This is <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
folks. <br>
Beth expressed an opinion-David rebutted with his statement. End of story.
Let's not blow everything up into a huge drama.<br>
I was falsely accused by W. Dan in the AVA of trying to blow up the station's
computers with a vacuum cleaner. I got a good laugh out of that distortion. I
told the facts of the situation in the next issue. <br>
Let's give people credit for having the intelligence to sort out truth from fiction.
Most people have already picked out there allies in the fray over the radio
station and its policies so let's try to keep the discussion civil and factual.<br>
I am tired of the power struggle. Let's find common ground to work through the
problems we are encountering--lack of transparency in the decision making
process and lack of true access of all points of view on our public air waves.<br>
Sheila Dawn<br>
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King Collins <king@greenmac.com> wrote:<br>
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David Steffen says: </span></font><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> She (Beth Bosk) doesn’t know me yet she casually throws
insults around, and the administrator of this list doesn’t admonish her
or remove her from the list. The unconscionable epithets she regularly includes
in her angry and dishonest screeds, which often get forwarded by her fans, have
no place in any discussion of KZYX or the individuals. </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Steffen charges that Bosk should be censored. And there may be others
who agree. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>But for the sake of democracy and the colonized masses, let's not
call on the list administrator. He's already done a courageous and costly
service, by starting this listserv.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We know that the administrator has the power to shut us down, and if I
may express my bias: Thank God it is de Vall and not Aigner who controls this
list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And so it has come to pass that on KZYXtalk listserv, the most
democratic discussion that ever happened at KZYX, David steffen accuses Beth
Bosk of casually throwing insults around (See above), and that Beth Bosk should
be censored for her remarks. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Suggested Grievance Procedure. I am not kidding about this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Once the grievance has been clearly stated, and Beth has had the
opportunity to respond, then I suggest we take comments from others and a vote
to see if others agree that there is substance to the grievance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And if we the people have so decided, then we should have a hearing,
perhaps in front of a panel of list users, chosen in some way, or perhaps a
panel of judges chosen in some way, or perhaps in front of everyone. As in
Common Law, we must find some way to reach a judgment. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And should one be found guilty, we can proceed to the consequence
phase. Here we can use our imagination. Perhaps an announcement in the
newspapers that so-in-so was found to be to be guilty of making unfounded nasty
comments, and/or so-in-so will be banished from the list for a period of
time. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I am serious about this proposal, because I don't want Norm de Vall on
the hot seat, and because I genuinely believe that we must find a democratic
way to resolve our differences and because I don't want to lose this list or
anyone on it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For KZYXtalk, --king collins<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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