<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Thank you, Agnes, for contacting Dan and finding out about his intentions. This points our work in the right direction, and allows us a little time to figure out our most positive and strategic move. I hope you will be part of that move, if not on the committee. We need folks like you, who are proactive and have those personal contacts, to propel this forward. I appreciate your contribution!<br><br></div>I would love to meet on Jan 12th in the afternoon anywhere.<br><br></div>Thank you all for continuing this important work!<br><br>Blessings,<br></div>Kelly<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 9:34 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agnes@mcn.org" target="_blank">agnes@mcn.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi everyone,<br>
I and members of MCPBCoalition have met privately with two Supervisors<br>
in the past. Meg is right this can't be done consecutively on the same<br>
topic. I stand corrected.<br>
I respect Baile's questions re what a private citizen can do<br>
representing themselves and his conciliatory tone.<br>
<br>
As an individual I sent 2 inquiries about codification to Dan Hamburg<br>
before there was any discussion about an enactment committee.<br>
<br>
I forwarded Dan's response to CRN thinking his response would be useful<br>
information to you all. I did not use CRN list serve to email him, but my<br>
own,that's why his email was addressed to me.<br>
<br>
I'm glad people agree there should be a committee.I'll be glad to step<br>
aside. Please read Dan's email that I forwarded to you about his position<br>
on Community Rights earlier today 12/22.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Agnes<br>
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> Hi everybody,<br>
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> Jan 9 - 12 works for me. As to location, I guess we'll have to work that<br>
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> Ciao<br>
> Ed<br>
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> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Kelly Larson <<a href="mailto:solarkelly@gmail.com">solarkelly@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> We need a face to face meeting to discuss ensuring Measure S in codified<br>
>> into law the way we want.<br>
>><br>
>> When? How about one of the days between Jan 9th and the 12th?<br>
>><br>
>> Where? We will need an indoor location accessible to all.<br>
>><br>
>> Blessings,<br>
>> Kelly<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Carrie Durkee <<a href="mailto:cdurkee@mcn.org">cdurkee@mcn.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
</span>>>> yes …let's meet.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>>> Carrie<br>
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:30 AM, edward Oberweiser wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi everyone,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree with Baile. We need to have in person meeting about forming an<br>
>>> enactment committee. Are there any of us who know where to look to see<br>
>>> if<br>
>>> the supervisors and their counsel can legally thwart the will of we the<br>
>>> people in the initiative process?<br>
>>><br>
>>> regards<br>
>>> Ed<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Baile Oakes <<a href="mailto:baileoakes@gmail.com">baileoakes@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Great information from Meg.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This is a great educational thread.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am curious as to how lobbyist get around this violation of the Brown<br>
>>>> Act. They certainly meet independently with public representatives.<br>
>>>> Is it<br>
>>>> OK to meet individually with public representatives but not legal to<br>
>>>> meet<br>
>>>> with more than I ?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We are members of a start up organization and still settling into how<br>
>>>> we<br>
>>>> need to represent our selves as a member of a group and as an<br>
>>>> individual<br>
>>>> citizen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We as citizens need to be mindful of when we are representing the will<br>
>>>> of the CRNMC and when we are talking as private citizens.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Is it ok with the CRNMC for members of the CNRMC to speak out/write to<br>
>>>> our representatives as a private citizen ?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We do need to have a meeting regarding Enactment and other next steps<br>
>>>> of<br>
>>>> our group.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I do not believe it is healthy to attempt to form a committee over the<br>
>>>> internet. There are some in our organization that do not communicate<br>
>>>> on a<br>
>>>> consistent basis on the net.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sending all the best to all of you in this wonder filled season of the<br>
>>>> return of the Light.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> with love,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> baile<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Meg Courtney wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > Folks,<br>
>>>> >> From my understanding this is a violation of the Brown Act - no<br>
>>>> matter who or what committee speaks privately w/ 2 members of the BOS<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> then meets with 2 more BOS members. This is called a "serial meeting"<br>
>>>> or<br>
>>>> "daisy chain" to "develop a collective "concurrence". Not good. Ask<br>
>>>> Dan.<br>
>>>> He knows all about this.<br>
>>>> > Meg<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Sent from my iPad<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >> On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:27 PM, <a href="mailto:agnes@mcn.org">agnes@mcn.org</a> wrote:<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Lanny,<br>
>>>> >> You have used the royal "we" when you mean I.<br>
>>>> >> I have established a good relationship with Dan hamburg and respect<br>
>>>> his<br>
>>>> >> advice. I have already contacted him twice re measure S and you can<br>
>>>> read<br>
>>>> >> them on the listserve. Your comment below is undemocratic.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >> Agnes<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >>> What we DON'T want is random people speaking for Measure S,<br>
>>>> talking<br>
>>>> to<br>
>>>> >>> supervisors or interpreting the Constitution on their own, or<br>
>>>> deciding the<br>
>>>> >>> best course of action to take at this time.<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> Isn't this a good job to give to a special committee of<br>
>>>> proponents?<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> How to create a committee like this democratically? I suggest we<br>
>>>> put<br>
>>>> >>> together a list of interested people. Then the entire group (we<br>
>>>> should<br>
>>>> >>> know who constitutes this larger group) votes for six, or seven,<br>
>>>> or<br>
>>>> >>> however many we want on that committee. Call it the Enactment<br>
>>>> Committee.<br>
>>>> >>> That committee keeps a record of its activity and shares it with<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> >>> "larger group" in a timely fashion.<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> Sound reasonable?<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>> Lanny<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:11 PM, <a href="mailto:agnes@mcn.org">agnes@mcn.org</a> wrote:<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> As Dan Hamburg said we need to meet with supervisors, two at a<br>
>>>> time<br>
>>>> in a<br>
>>>> >>>> home, and tell them we want them to urge the County Cousel to<br>
>>>> codify<br>
>>>> >>>> Measure "S" in its entirety.Ask them if they will vote on such an<br>
>>>> >>>> agendized item to that effect. Then meet privately with 2 more<br>
>>>> >>>> supervisors<br>
>>>> >>>> telling them the same.If we have 3 solid yeahs then it should<br>
>>>> become an<br>
>>>> >>>> agenda item to be voted on by the whole board.<br>
>>>> >>>> That's my experience,you can check with Dan Hamburg or your<br>
>>>> supervisor.<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>> Agnes<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> From Ben Price. I will be hard to reach between now and the<br>
>>>> 27th,<br>
>>>> >>>>> around<br>
>>>> >>>>> yes, but busy and slow to respond. happy holidays.<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Shannon<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message:<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> From: Ben Price <<a href="mailto:benprice@celdf.org">benprice@celdf.org</a>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> Date: December 21, 2014, 10:16:27 AM PST<br>
>>>> >>>>>> To: Shannon Biggs <<a href="mailto:shannon@movementrights.org">shannon@movementrights.org</a>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Elaine and Ed <<a href="mailto:elained@mcn.org">elained@mcn.org</a>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: what's our next best move<br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> I would have the community group get busy pushing back<br>
>>>> publicly:<br>
>>>> if<br>
>>>> >>>>>> the<br>
>>>> >>>>>> county thinks it can pocket-veto the vote of 60% of the people,<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> >>>>>> people can veto the supervisors through the ballot box, and can<br>
>>>> >>>>>> enforce<br>
>>>> >>>>>> the ordinance as per its language. The formality of placing the<br>
>>>> duly<br>
>>>> >>>>>> enacted laws of the county into the code is not discretionary,<br>
>>>> and if<br>
>>>> >>>>>> the county supervisors think they can disrespect the democratic<br>
>>>> rights<br>
>>>> >>>>>> of the people by not doing their jobs, they can be replaced.<br>
>>>> The<br>
>>>> >>>>>> supervisors can not choose which laws to obey as a way of<br>
>>>> claiming<br>
>>>> >>>>>> that<br>
>>>> >>>>>> the people's law is not authorized.<br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> Not certain what recall options there may or may not be.<br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Shannon Biggs<br>
>>>> >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:shannon@movementrights.org">shannon@movementrights.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Ed,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> I will respond to this in more detail, but your ordinance I<br>
>>>> believe<br>
>>>> >>>>>>> (most of ours do) allows for citizen enforcement which means<br>
>>>> you<br>
>>>> as a<br>
>>>> >>>>>>> group can force the county to enforce the law.<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> Shannon<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Elaine and Ed <<a href="mailto:elained@mcn.org">elained@mcn.org</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> My education in the corruption of US and local governments<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> continues.<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I received this disturbing news from Baile.<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> We have all helped to manifest Measure "S". At the same<br>
>>>> time,<br>
>>>> it<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> has<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> no real teeth of enforcement until such time as it is written<br>
>>>> into<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> the<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> enforcement codes of Mendocino County. This process takes<br>
>>>> place<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> through the office of the county counsel. The county counsel<br>
>>>> can<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> choose to refrain from writing into the codes of law in the<br>
>>>> county<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> any<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> part of Measure "S" that the county counsel deems to be<br>
>>>> unlawful.<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Since the State of California presently does not ban fracking<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> has<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> passed legislation clearly stating that the right to frack is<br>
>>>> solely<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> determined by the State, than the county counsel could make<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> decision that no part of Measure "S" can legally be written<br>
>>>> into the<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> county enforcement codes.<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Norman has urged us to get busy contacting and lobbying our<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> respective<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Supervisors in order to educate them and persuade them to<br>
>>>> direct the<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> county counsel to "codify" all parts of Measure "S."<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> What options do we have to make sure the will of the people<br>
>>>> is<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> carried<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> out by the county supervisors now? I know from my limited<br>
>>>> experience<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> here that it will be extremely hard " to get busy contacting<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> lobbying our respective Supervisors in order to educate them<br>
>>>> and<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> persuade them to direct the county counsel to "codify" all<br>
>>>> parts of<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Measure "S." What other options, if any are open to us at<br>
>>>> this<br>
>>>> point<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> in time?<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for any help or suggestions you can give us<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Ed Oberweiser<br>
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