<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>With all due respect Tim, I suspect this ordinance will pass because of us not in spite of us. We are, each of us in this group, independent and strong-minded thinkers which will naturally bring conflict, this is inevitable and OK. Our methods and processes are not being dictated by one person or a small group, everyone has a say as they feel the need, which may be less streamlined and efficient but is a testament to the fact that we are working outside of the colonized method of top-down, hierarchical systems and we are doing great!<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Tim Rice <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@multitalents.net" target="_blank">tim@multitalents.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Shannon Biggs wrote:<br>
<br>
> Indeed that is the focus and a good reminder for all.<br>
<br>
Also a reminder that *how* we go about getting this ordinance passed is<br>
at least (if not more) important than getting it passed.<br>
<br>
If we adopt the "just get it done" approach common in our society, and<br>
use half truths and exaggerations to "sell" the ordinance, we will<br>
have just modeled and legitimized the very system we are trying<br>
to change. To me, having the ordinance pass going down that route, would<br>
be a huge failure.<br>
<br>
It's important to make sure our message can stand the scrutiny of those<br>
that may not like what we are doing. And more importantly, we as a group<br>
need to model what we claim to be about. The "who decides?" thing has<br>
been interesting to watch in our group. A fair amount of modeling our<br>
default culture. To be fair, when we got into this, we didn't know<br>
what we didn't know and we naively thought we were different and could<br>
get this done in the incredibly short amount of time we had for this<br>
election cycle.<br>
<br>
I strongly suspect this ordinance will pass in spite of us. There is<br>
huge energy behind the changes we're attempting to accomplish. The question<br>
is, will having the ordinance pass represent a minor temporary success<br>
or a huge lasting success. That will largely depend on how willing we are<br>
at looking at our colonized thinking.<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 6/12/14 8:34 AM, "Paul Lambert" <<a href="mailto:paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Thanks for clarifications, Shannon. As someone who both supports CRNMC and is<br>
> > a member of the media, I have observed that focusing on the fracking issue<br>
> > (while a strong recruiting hook) is engendering some hysteria - there are 15<br>
> > permits in Mendocino - that would be better directed towards the real aim of<br>
> > the initiative - establishing local control over the purity of water.<br>
><br>
> If you<br>
> > keep your focus entirely on fracking, the deeper message of local control of<br>
> > resources might get lost and weaken your campaign in November by bringing in<br>
> > outside money from Western States Petroleum Association to oppose you.<br>
><br>
> So, I<br>
> > urge all of you as a friend and supporter to focus on the less sexy topic of<br>
> > local citizen control over air and water.<br>
><br>
> My two cents,<br>
><br>
> Paul Lambert<br>
><br>
> On Jun<br>
> > 11, 2014 11:51 AM, Shannon Biggs <<a href="mailto:shannon@globalexchange.org">shannon@globalexchange.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Re:<br>
> > [CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?<br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > I think as a part<br>
> > of our online culture its important to be really aware of our language, and<br>
> > how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often terrible at delivering<br>
> > intent, and creates a defensive posture which I know we have been struggling<br>
> > with as a group. <br>
> ><br>
> > So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this<br>
> > item, and then lets try to get to a solution needed.<br>
> ><br>
> > Paul, my<br>
> > understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are part of<br>
> > CRNMC with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball rolling, so if<br>
> > you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I agree, we should<br>
> > have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The ³15 permits² is a<br>
> > good fact to verify, but again It was mentioned by someone else at the event<br>
> > who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the stat, but I did hear it<br>
> > from members of the team. If whoever did say it, could send that information<br>
> > forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do trust what you all say from the<br>
> > podium is based on your local knowledge, so I¹m guessing that its true, but we<br>
> > should nail it down.<br>
> ><br>
> > My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices<br>
> > taking the issue that you are concerned with i.e. Fracking in your county.<br>
> > I do believe you should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and<br>
> > And it<br>
> > would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as ³our² job.<br>
> > I brought a fracking expert David to speak to fracking generally and in<br>
> > CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking - Please do remember I<br>
> > work with a dozen communities at a time, and cannot be an expert on the<br>
> > particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig up (see below).<br>
> > My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue to the<br>
> > rights-based framework. If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m<br>
> > absolutely the right person for that job.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best, Shannon<br>
> ><br>
> > Some<br>
> > resources:<br>
> > <a href="http://theava.com/archives/29538" target="_blank">http://theava.com/archives/29538</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php" target="_blank">https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php</a><br>
> > And while it can<br>
> > be shown that there is no active production of conventional resources in<br>
> > Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are confidential. Thus<br>
> > the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant drilling and multiple wells<br>
> > per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in Mendocino County at some point<br>
> > in the future cannot be entirely ruled out. Technically feasible and<br>
> > economically viable approaches may be discovered by the oil and gas industry<br>
> > to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the Franciscan formations, and<br>
> > interest in production could shift from the mature oil-rich resource areas in<br>
> > southern California to the un-associated gas-yielding formations in the<br>
> > northern parts of the State. <br>
> ><br>
> > It also cannot be ignored, that the wells<br>
> > in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties are owned by the same Big Oil Corporate<br>
> > Petroleum Companies that own the lease-held agreements to production on tracts<br>
> > of lands in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.<br>
> > Bakersfield is more like a Corporate Park in the State of Kern and most of<br>
> > the north coast county wells are owned by Corporations with 2 addresses, one<br>
> > in Houston, and one in Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and throughout the<br>
> > Kern Oil Fields may change hands for flexible market viability and company<br>
> > survivability, but those same companies selling leased acres even in other<br>
> > Shale plays in other States, (to reduce debt load from expansion), have held<br>
> > onto ownerships in Northern California, and are expanding the lease-acres.<br>
> > Chevron, Vintage (OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in Humboldt,<br>
> > Mendocino, and Sonoma Counties.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and<br>
> > crn members if you nailed it down.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Leaving it to me or other journalists<br>
> > opens you to charges of misrepresentation and trying to build up hysteria.<br>
> > Since you said it, you need to confirm it or deny it.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Not my job.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> > Paul<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:shannon@globalexchange.org">shannon@globalexchange.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> HI there,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Yes David is a<br>
> > founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working with the<br>
> > coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange and 50 other<br>
> > organizations are members.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but<br>
> > I did hear that at one of the meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure who.<br>
> > There are some articles out there if you google search, and some folks<br>
> > mentioned some specific articles. Be good for you all to nail down the facts<br>
> > and your talking points on that, as we get our information from you all on<br>
> > local matters.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can<br>
> > ask him.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Shannon<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://paul52jazz@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> I<br>
> > believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to be a<br>
> > founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search of their<br>
> > site shows no reference to him anywhere.....<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> > Paul<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:edoberweiser@gmail.com">edoberweiser@gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://edoberweiser@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://edoberweiser@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> I<br>
> > agree,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim<br>
> > this unless we have substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is claiming<br>
> > this. If there are approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that<br>
> > information from the county?<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Ed Oberweiser<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> On<br>
> > Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <<a href="mailto:paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a><br>
> > <<a href="http://paul52jazz@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Several time I have heard<br>
> > Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are 15 (?) already approved<br>
> > permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when I have asked her and others,<br>
> > the only reference I could get is to a small colored state or fed map that<br>
> > shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the mid-state area but whose tip<br>
> > seems to end in Mendocino. There is no attribution for the map, nor are there<br>
> > any details as to who issued the permits, where they are located, who holds<br>
> > them and what their plans are.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Can someone help because this is<br>
> > a potentially damaging assertion which could undermine your credibility if it<br>
> > is not substantiated.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Paul<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
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