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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Agreed Caitlin. You all are doing amazing work. David and I had such a wonderful time with all of you. David became very connected to the campaign because of meeting all of you. We are creating a new path, and the road can be bumpy but look at the view! <BR>
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On 6/12/14 12:02 PM, "Caitlin Alexander" <<a href="caitlin29@gmail.com">caitlin29@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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With all due respect Tim, I suspect this ordinance will pass because of us not in spite of us. We are, each of us in this group, independent and strong-minded thinkers which will naturally bring conflict, this is inevitable and OK. Our methods and processes are not being dictated by one person or a small group, everyone has a say as they feel the need, which may be less streamlined and efficient but is a testament to the fact that we are working outside of the colonized method of top-down, hierarchical systems and we are doing great!<BR>
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Tim Rice <<a href="tim@multitalents.net">tim@multitalents.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Shannon Biggs wrote:<BR>
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> Indeed that is the focus and a good reminder for all.<BR>
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Also a reminder that *how* we go about getting this ordinance passed is<BR>
at least (if not more) important than getting it passed.<BR>
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If we adopt the "just get it done" approach common in our society, and<BR>
use half truths and exaggerations to "sell" the ordinance, we will<BR>
have just modeled and legitimized the very system we are trying<BR>
to change. To me, having the ordinance pass going down that route, would<BR>
be a huge failure.<BR>
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It's important to make sure our message can stand the scrutiny of those<BR>
that may not like what we are doing. And more importantly, we as a group<BR>
need to model what we claim to be about. The "who decides?" thing has<BR>
been interesting to watch in our group. A fair amount of modeling our<BR>
default culture. To be fair, when we got into this, we didn't know<BR>
what we didn't know and we naively thought we were different and could<BR>
get this done in the incredibly short amount of time we had for this<BR>
election cycle.<BR>
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I strongly suspect this ordinance will pass in spite of us. There is<BR>
huge energy behind the changes we're attempting to accomplish. The question<BR>
is, will having the ordinance pass represent a minor temporary success<BR>
or a huge lasting success. That will largely depend on how willing we are<BR>
at looking at our colonized thinking.<BR>
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> On 6/12/14 8:34 AM, "Paul Lambert" <<a href="paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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> > Thanks for clarifications, Shannon. As someone who both supports CRNMC and is<BR>
> > a member of the media, I have observed that focusing on the fracking issue<BR>
> > (while a strong recruiting hook) is engendering? some hysteria - there are 15<BR>
> > permits in Mendocino - that would be better directed towards the real aim of<BR>
> > the initiative - establishing local control over the purity of water.<BR>
><BR>
> If you<BR>
> > keep your focus entirely on fracking, the deeper message of local control of<BR>
> > resources might get lost and weaken your campaign in November by bringing in<BR>
> > outside money from Western States Petroleum Association to oppose you.<BR>
><BR>
> So, I<BR>
> > urge all of you as a friend and supporter to focus on the less sexy topic of<BR>
> > local citizen control over air and water.<BR>
><BR>
> My two cents,<BR>
><BR>
> Paul Lambert<BR>
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> On Jun<BR>
> > 11, 2014 11:51 AM, Shannon Biggs <<a href="shannon@globalexchange.org">shannon@globalexchange.org</a>> wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Re:<BR>
> > [CRNMC] Can someone subtantiate these claims?<BR>
> > Hi all,<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I think as a part<BR>
> > of our online culture its important to be really aware of our language, and<BR>
> > how others will interpret our ³tone.² Email is often terrible at delivering<BR>
> > intent, and creates a defensive posture ­ which I know we have been struggling<BR>
> > with as a group. ?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > So having said that, let me share my thoughts on this<BR>
> > item, and then lets try to get to a solution needed.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Paul, my<BR>
> > understanding is that this group list is for the volunteers who are part of<BR>
> > CRNMC ?with the goal to exchange information and keep the ball rolling, so if<BR>
> > you feel I was asking you something journalistic, not so. I agree, we should<BR>
> > have a base of facts that you are all comfortable with. The ³15 permits² is a<BR>
> > good fact to verify, but again ?It was mentioned by someone else at the event<BR>
> > who lives in Mendocino. I am not the author of the stat, but I did hear it<BR>
> > from members of the team. If whoever did say it, could send that information<BR>
> > forward we¹d all be richer for knowing. I do trust what you all say from the<BR>
> > podium is based on your local knowledge, so I¹m guessing that its true, but we<BR>
> > should nail it down.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > My job is to guide you all in rights-based practices<BR>
> > taking the issue that you are concerned with ­ i.e. Fracking in your county.<BR>
> > ?I do believe you should be knowledgeable on the threats locally and<BR>
> > And it<BR>
> > would be great if we all saw getting to the useful information as ³our² job.<BR>
> > ?I brought a fracking expert ­ David ­ to speak to fracking generally and in<BR>
> > CA, and hold a great deal of information about fracking - Please do remember I<BR>
> > work with a ?dozen communities at a time, and cannot be an expert on the<BR>
> > particulars of each place, though I will see what I can dig up (see below).<BR>
> > ??My expertise is in applying what you all see as the issue to the<BR>
> > rights-based framework. ?If you have a question on rights, ask me I¹m<BR>
> > absolutely the right person for that job.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Best, Shannon<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Some<BR>
> > resources:<BR>
> > <a href="http://theava.com/archives/29538">http://theava.com/archives/29538</a><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > <a href="https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php">https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2014/03/14/18752559.php</a><BR>
> > And while it can<BR>
> > be shown that there is no active production of conventional resources in<BR>
> > Mendocino County, any recent exploratory well locations are confidential. Thus<BR>
> > the potential for both horizontal or slant deviant drilling and multiple wells<BR>
> > per pad combined with hydraulic fracturing in Mendocino County at some point<BR>
> > in the future cannot be entirely ruled out. Technically feasible and<BR>
> > economically viable approaches may be discovered by the oil and gas industry<BR>
> > to tap the tight-gas and shale oil potential in the Franciscan formations, and<BR>
> > interest in production could shift from the mature oil-rich resource areas in<BR>
> > southern California to the un-associated gas-yielding formations in the<BR>
> > northern parts of the State. ?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > ?It also cannot be ignored, that the wells<BR>
> > in Mendocino and Humboldt Counties are owned by the same Big Oil Corporate<BR>
> > Petroleum Companies that own the lease-held agreements to production on tracts<BR>
> > of lands in the States of Texas, Oklahoma, New York, Colorado and Kern.<BR>
> > ?Bakersfield is more like a Corporate Park in the State of Kern and most of<BR>
> > the north coast county wells are owned by Corporations with 2 addresses, one<BR>
> > in Houston, and one in Bakersfield. Holdings in Bakersfield and throughout the<BR>
> > Kern Oil Fields may change hands for flexible market viability and company<BR>
> > survivability, but those same companies selling leased acres even in other<BR>
> > Shale plays in other States, (to reduce debt load from expansion), have held<BR>
> > onto ownerships in Northern California, and are expanding the lease-acres.<BR>
> > Chevron, Vintage (OXY) and INNEX hold leases or own acreage in Humboldt,<BR>
> > Mendocino, and Sonoma Counties.<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > On 6/11/14 11:12 AM, "Paul Lambert"<BR>
> > <<a href="paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >> Actually, Shannon it would behoove you and<BR>
> > crn members if you nailed it down.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> Leaving it to me or other journalists<BR>
> > opens you to charges of misrepresentation and trying to build up hysteria.<BR>
> > ?Since you said it, you need to confirm it or deny it.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> Not my job.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >><BR>
> > Paul<BR>
> >><BR>
> >><BR>
> >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Shannon Biggs<BR>
> > <<a href="shannon@globalexchange.org">shannon@globalexchange.org</a>> wrote:<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> HI there,<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> Yes David is a<BR>
> > founder of Americans Against fracking and is currently working with the<BR>
> > coalition Californians Against Fracking, of which Global Exchange and 50 other<BR>
> > organizations are members.<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> I did not claim there were 15 permits, but<BR>
> > I did hear that at one of the meetings by someone from CRNMC. Not sure who.<BR>
> > There are some articles out there if you google search, and some folks<BR>
> > mentioned some specific articles. Be good for you all to nail down the facts<BR>
> > and your talking points on that, as we get our information from you all on<BR>
> > local matters.<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> If you have questions for David, let me know and I can<BR>
> > ask him.<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> Shannon<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>> On 6/11/14 9:57 AM, "Paul Lambert"<BR>
> > <<a href="paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://paul52jazz@gmail.com">http://paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>>> I<BR>
> > believe that David Braun also stated that....btw he claimed to me to be a<BR>
> > founder or associated with Californians against fracking but a search of their<BR>
> > site shows no reference to him anywhere.....<BR>
> >>>><BR>
> >>>><BR>
> >>>><BR>
> > Paul<BR>
> >>>><BR>
> >>>><BR>
> >>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, edward Oberweiser<BR>
> > <<a href="edoberweiser@gmail.com">edoberweiser@gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://edoberweiser@gmail.com">http://edoberweiser@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<BR>
> >>>>><BR>
> >>>>> I<BR>
> > agree,<BR>
> >>>>><BR>
> >>>>> This is sounding pretty flaky to me. We shouldn't claim<BR>
> > this unless we have substantial proof. Who else besides Shannon is claiming<BR>
> > this. If there are approved permits, shouldn't we be able to get that<BR>
> > information from the county?<BR>
> >>>>><BR>
> >>>>> Ed Oberweiser<BR>
> >>>>><BR>
> >>>>><BR>
> >>>>> On<BR>
> > Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Paul Lambert <<a href="paul52jazz@gmail.com">paul52jazz@gmail.com</a><BR>
> > <<a href="http://paul52jazz@gmail.com">http://paul52jazz@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<BR>
> >>>>>><BR>
> >>>>>> Several time I have heard<BR>
> > Shannon Biggs and others claiming that there are 15 (?) already approved<BR>
> > permits for fracking in Mendocino County but when I have asked her and others,<BR>
> > the only reference I could get is to a small colored state or fed map that<BR>
> > shows approved fracking sites, mainly in the mid-state area but whose tip<BR>
> > seems to end in Mendocino. ?There is no attribution for the map, nor are there<BR>
> > any details as to who issued the permits, where they are located, who holds<BR>
> > them and what their plans are.<BR>
> >>>>>><BR>
> >>>>>> Can someone help because this is<BR>
> > a potentially damaging assertion which could undermine your credibility if it<BR>
> > is not substantiated.<BR>
> >>>>>><BR>
> >>>>>> Paul<BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>><BR>
> >>><BR>
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