<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Let's hear what Ben has to say & fallow his advice. Jane<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 24, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Patricia Norris <<a href="mailto:PatriciaNorris@comcast.net">PatriciaNorris@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'll weigh in, although I already
expressed this; why go through these needed changes in 4a, and
then risk the whole thing by not changing 4b also. I respect Ben
and the philosophy he expresses, and we will be working for and
affirming our rights, and can announce them loud and clear; it
does not need to be in the ordinance, let's follow Barry's advice.<br>
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I'm glad to hear the chances are good that only a few days will be
added. <br>
Thanks Karina for your shepherding this! <br>
Patricia<br>
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<div>Want you to know, even if we change sec.4, it may add only a
few days to our process (they have 15 days, but I may be able to
speed that up, since the title and summary will not change).
Everything else is ready to move forward, with the minor change
to the ordinance language - the newspaper publication is ready;
the petition is ready; the Letter of Intent won't change. We're
ready to open the bank account and file form 410. </div>
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<div>The sooner we come to an agreement, the sooner we can start
the clock again. I am prepared to drive to the county today and
resubmit the Ordinance.</div>
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<div>So far out of 15 responses, 11 have been to go ahead and
change sec 4a. The other 4 did not say no. Opinion on 4b is
50-50.</div>
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<div>Anyone´else have a strong opinion?</div>
<div>K</div>
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<div>On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:52 PM, karinajoy wrote:</div>
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space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; ">Sisters
and Brothers,</span>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">A small but crucially
significant problem regarding our Ordinance has
arisen. It can be solved if we act now. It will
cause some delay, but it is better we fix the
problem now than ignore it and regret it later.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">It has to do with the
ENFORCEMENT of the Ordinance. In other words, we
need to give our Ordinance the proper teeth with
which a judge MUST (not just MAY) enforce the
Ordinance and thus dissuade those who would break
the law.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">Barry Vogel pointed
this problem out before, but then Norman de Vall
raised the concern again. And Charles
Wood responded with <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
medium; ">“I don't think that simple use of the
word "offense" makes it unenforceable, it just </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
medium; "><b>gives the judge too much latitude</b>
to set the fine at whatever level he or she
pleases.<b> It could be $1/day. </b></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;
"><span style="letter-spacing: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
15px; " size="3">The jury decides the facts
(guilty or not-guilty), </font></span>Judges
interpret the law (amount for the fine).</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
medium; "><b>"</b></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
medium; "> They all agree, we</span> need to
be more specific and strong in the enforcement
clause. </div>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">So this is Barry's
suggestion, as best I recall : </div>
<div style="font-size: 17px; ">Sec. 4(a). </div>
<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 6px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal
normal normal 12px/normal Arial; font-size: 15px;
"><font class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:
17px; " size="3"><span style="letter-spacing:
0.0px">Any corporation, government or natural
person that violates any prohibition of this
Ordinance shall be guilty of a</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
arial, sans-serif; "> most serious misdemeanor
offense </span><span style="letter-spacing:
0.0px"> and, upon conviction thereof, shall be
sentenced to </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;
">go to prison for one year and shall </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;
">pay a fine of $10,000 for each violation. Each
time the pump is turned on, and each stroke of
the pump down and up shall be a separate
violation, and violation of each section of this
Ordinance shall count as a separate violation.
Courts shall grant no probation.</span></p>
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<div style="font-size: 16px; ">Is there any strong
opposition to this change in sec.4(a)? The lawyers
at CELDF (or you) may fiddle with the language or
the fine, but we need agreement by tomorrow, so we
can re-submit asap.</div>
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<div>On a second issue:</div>
<div>Sec. 4 (b) shall we strike out "or any resident
of the County<b><i> " and later "or the
resident..." ?????</i></b></div>
<div><b><i>Bus and Prof Code 17200 recently took
away the citizen's right to take enforcement
action. Ben felt we should claim this right
anyway, since it's just another slow erosion
of our rights. But Barry thinks we shouldn't
risk the ordinance over this. So, should we
leave it in or take it out?</i></b></div>
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<div style="font-size: 16px; ">There will be a cost.
We'll have to pay the $200 fee again (which is
refunded when we qualify for the ballot). But
we'll forfeit the first $200. And there will be
some delay. But since I doubt it will change the
title or summary, it could be a fast turnaround. </div>
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<div style="font-size: 16px; ">Let's do this right.
A little additional cost, a little delay. The
hurry isn't as great as the need to get it right
and have a strong ordinance.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 16px; ">So shall we make the
change to 4a? and keep or delete citizen
enforcement in 4b?</div>
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<div style="font-size: 15px; ">Karina</div>
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