<html><head><base href="x-msg://45/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Charles has made some very good points.<div><br></div><div>It is hard to imagine that we can keep the cost below $1,000.</div><div><br></div><div>Seems we need to put our focus on finding a person who has the will and skill to take on the treasurer position and move forward with the necessary paperwork to be able to a fund a realistic campaign to succeed.</div><div><br></div><div>With love</div><div><br></div><div>Baile</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 20, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Charles Cresson Wood wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: black; "><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">Hello Karina,</font></font></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><br></font><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">Thanks for calling Shannon and asking for help here... yes, we need help, and expert help.</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">We should ask what are the essential roles that must be designated (such as Treasurer), and</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">does she have suggested job descriptions for those roles.</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">We should also ask what would a campaign like this typically cost to fight, in another location,</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">to give us a sense for whether this under $1000 proposal is at all realistic.</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">We should also ask whether the tax laws allow us to funnel money through another entity; it </font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">may not permit such a funeling... we need to play it straight and narrow here, following the law</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">exactly, so as not to give our opponents even one millimeter with which to attack us.</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">/s/ Charles</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; ">-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>From: karinajoy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><karinacotler@gmail.com><br>Sent: Apr 20, 2014 9:13 PM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: Community Rights Network<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><crn@lists.mcn.org><br>Cc: Charles Cresson Wood<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><ccwood@ix.netcom.com><br>Subject: Re: [Community Rights Network] About limiting contributions to $1000<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead></zzzhead><zzzbody style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Okay, I'll call Shannon and see if she can answer our questions about the money and what must legally be declared as coming from the campaign committee.<div><br></div><div>Any other specific questions anyone can think of to ask her and Prajna?</div><div><br></div><div>Karina</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 20, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Michael Dean wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">FYI - Last night, Robin Sunbeam received an offer of $1000 for yard signs. We discussed the contribution at the pot luck today and we came up with only more doubts about handling this subject. I agree that we need to get with Global Exchange and Prajna. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 7:39 PM, karinajoy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:karinacotler@gmail.com">karinacotler@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">But unless someone is willing to do the mountain of paperwork, then we can't do it.<br><br>Anyway, Peter suggests that some expenses (like education, local events) can be paid by CRNMC, not the campaign committee. I need to find out more about it. But it's possible that only campaign related expenses must be paid by the campaign committee. Misc events and educational outreach, etc. may be able to be funded by CROW and CRNMC.<br><br>Is anyone familiar with the differentiation I'm describing? Is it legal to separate our expenses this way? Any thoughts/suggestions on the subject?<br><br>Karina<br><br><br>On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Charles Cresson Wood wrote:<br><br>> Hello Karina,<br>> No, I'm sorry I cannot play that role, due to law school commitments. But I hope we don't play it small because we are afraid that we will go over the $1000 limit. This is a big task in front of us. The partial list of expenses that you provided is revealing in that it shows we have already incurred $400+. Very soon now, we will be beyond $1000.<br>> /s/ Charles<br>><br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: karinajoy <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:karinacotler@gmail.com">karinacotler@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Sent: Apr 20, 2014 1:44 PM<br>>> To: Charles Cresson Wood <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:ccwood@ix.netcom.com">ccwood@ix.netcom.com</a>>, Community Rights Network <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:crn@lists.mcn.org">crn@lists.mcn.org</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [Community Rights Network] About limiting contributions to $1000<br>>><br>>> First we need a budget to see if we can accomplish everything for under $1000. My understanding is that the amount of paperwork multiplies greatly as soon as we reach $1000. If someone is willing to do that paperwork, then it is an option. Are you volunteering to do it, Charles? So far, barely anyone is even willing to READ the material, let alone figure out all the filings. I am the treasurer for CROW and will do what is necessary until we find a treasurer for CRNMC. Someone please step forward for that job. I have enough on my plate.<br>>><br>>> Let's come up with a budget and see what we need.<br>>><br>>> So far, what I know is:<br>>> $200 filing fee (paid)<br>>> over $200 for newspaper announcement.<br>>> printing of petitions<br>>> cost for fictitious name, if we need that<br>>> what else?<br>>><br>>> Happy Easter everyone!<br>>> Karina<br>>><br>>> On Apr 20, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Charles Cresson Wood wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Hello community rights and anti-fracking friends,<br>>>><br>>>> I have been having some misgivings about the notion that<br>>>> we should be limiting contributions to $1000 or less. Yes,<br>>>> I appreciate that we can get in under the limit for filing<br>>>> certain paperwork, and our lives will be made easier if we<br>>>> keep the total under $1000. But this seems to be a short-<br>>>> term way to look at our effort. This is a tremendous and<br>>>> very important effort, and it will cause the big guns at the<br>>>> fracking companies to throw their high-priced talent at us,<br>>>> with public relations, disinformation, and marketing tricks.<br>>>> We need to open the spigots, we need to allow the public to<br>>>> give to us, to support us, to get the best talent can hire<br>>>> to counteract that public relation stuff, that disinformation,<br>>>> and those marketing tricks. I suggest that we retain someone<br>>>> who has been through this before, like Prajna, and perhaps<br>>>> some other activist experts in marketing and public relations.<br>>>> In order to be able to pay for this type of support, we will<br>>>> need to be able to receive contributions far in excess of<br>>>> $1000. Let's not let our concern about a little paperwork<br>>>> prevent us from doing what's truly necessary to not only get<br>>>> this on the ballot, but get it passed in November.<br>>>><br>>>> Let's be clear about who the treasurer is, and what their job<br>>>> will be, and I would be pleased to help define that role.<br>>>> Such paperwork would be submitted typically by the treasurer.<br>>>><br>>>> In general, I believe it would be helpful if we identified<br>>>> a few other critical roles, such as media point person. This<br>>>> will help focus the work, and expedite communications.<br>>>><br>>>> In community,<br>>>> - Charles Cresson Wood<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> crn mailing list<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="mailto:crn@lists.mcn.org">crn@lists.mcn.org</a><br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn</a><br>>><br>><br>><br>> Charles Cresson Wood, MBA, MSE, CISA, CISSP, CISM<br>> Information Security & Privacy Consultant<br>> Author of "Information Security Policies Made Easy"<br>> InfoSecurity Infrastructure, Inc.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.infosecurityinfrastructure.com/">www.infosecurityinfrastructure.com</a><br>><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>crn mailing list<br><a target="_blank" href="mailto:crn@lists.mcn.org">crn@lists.mcn.org</a><br><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div>_______________________________________________<br>crn mailing list<br><a target="_blank" href="mailto:crn@lists.mcn.org">crn@lists.mcn.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn">http://lists.mcn.org/mailman/options/crn</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></zzzbody></zzzhtml></ccwood@ix.netcom.com></crn@lists.mcn.org></karinacotler@gmail.com></blockquote></div></div><pre>Charles Cresson Wood, MBA, MSE, CISA, CISSP, CISM
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